(July 12, 2016 at 4:26 pm)RozKek Wrote:I'm glad u took the chance to at least read and take a look at these miracles of the Qur'an. But u have to put everything I said into effect as well before u declare it as false. First off u have to understand this is with the original ARABIC LANGUAGE and not English or any other language it has been translated into. I said the word for "day" in the singular form which is "yaum" is used exactly 365 times. The forms of angel "Malaika" and devil "Shaitin" are used 88 times each. The word for man as mankind is "insan or nas" which is different from "rajul" meaning male human or man. This life "Dunya" and Hereafter "Akhirah" are each used 115 times.(July 11, 2016 at 7:16 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:
Ahem, this is not what I expected, I expected the other scientific miracles. However, what you're doing right now is very well explained in this videoTo make it easy to understand, if you have big enough numbers, words and information you'll find all kinds of coincidences and patterns, and yes. They are coincidences and patterns, nothing more. It's mathematics, if you're gonna argue against mathematics, go ahead. So that should debunk pretty much everything you've said, but I'm not done. This should answer the "Science" and "Astronomy" claims, because you've used a heavy instance of math there. Whether you believe it or not, that is a mathematical coincidence no matter how much it doesn't look like it. Also humans have a tendency to seek patterns in random data, google up Apophenia. That's why you think this is miraculous, you assign the coincidences to a miraculous action from God.
I can add some more arguments against the linguistics: The word for day is actually used 475 times according toHowever, to be fair, wikiislam has it's criticism that you can view here, it actually made a page about it's criticism from both muslims and non-muslims
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The word month is actually used 21 times according to
The word man is used 117 times
The word woman is used 12 times
The word angel is used 10 times
The word devil is used 4 times
Here and hereafter is used around 15 times
The ones about Jesus and Adam don't need to be coincidences, the writers could've just put it there... it's quite obvious.
The conclusion here is, you're wrong with the numbers.
Regarding the rest i.e astronomy, science etc, you've used heavy mathematics and they're pure coincidences, the video by Vsauce I linked demonstrates that.
This one wasn't fun to argue against it was just maths maths maths, however, thanks for taking your time. Hope we both learned something so far.
And, yes. They actually can be coincidences whether you believe it or not, whether you like it or not. Mathematics =)
What makes this as a miraculous scripture is who on the Earth, in the 7th century had access to this knowledge? Technology didn't yet exist to verify it. Yes mathematics is involved but God is The One who allows mathematics to work in and out of our atmosphere. So with astronomical value to the exact detail in a time period before telescopes were even invented, who besides God knew how many days it takes Venus to revolve around the sun, and at what angle it was tilted on its axis? Or that Mars was covered with sand dunes? Or that the Star Sirius is actually a double star with a bow-shaped orbit occurring every 49.9 years? Or something would happen on the moon in 1390 Hijra or 1969 A.D? To bring it closer to home, what about the precise water and land coverages on Earth? And the atomic number of iron which also happens to be the middle or core of our planet?
Other things mentioned that I didn't mention before such as the mountains. The people of the 7th century thought mountains held up the skies. Allah says in the Qur'an He put mountains in place as pegs lest the Earth should shake with you. Mountains are buried deep beneath the Earth as science has recently proven to prevent quakes. And what about the creation of the embryo. Qur'anic detail gives precise form, shape, and stages of the embryo in it's earliest form. This is when scientists say it is about the size of a grain of rice. Being no x-rays or sonograms existed in the 7th century, someone had to know what they were talking about to describe it precisely to the "T". Or how about the "golden ratio" (1.61803398875)which is rounded to 1.618. Allah says in the Qur'an in 65:3 That "He (Allah) has an appointed measure for ALL THINGS." and 13:8 "And with Him, everything has due proportion." We all know Prophet Muhammad pbuh was from Mecca right? The place where the Holy Ka'abah is. If u use the Golden ratio for the planet Earth it points directly to the city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Is this just another coincidence or does this seem like a remarkable strategic plan?
So all of this coming from God Himself shows that only He had the knowledge then and why He is the sole producer of the Qur'an. This is one reason He sent it through Prophet Muhammad pbuh, a man who was illiterate. This shows that no man, not even God's messenger to all mankind could produce such a mighty scripture. Which not only gives God's message to mankind but also miraculously covers all areas and lifestyles of the people that were vainly arrogant of their knowledge of these things. So as said before my friend this is the work of God Allah alone. The Sole Creator of all things. No human could even begin to strategize such a marvel and this shows Allah is no human. If all humans created, put their brilliant minds together to try to construct such a plan it could never happen. But with Allah as God it is very simple. When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is.
