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Yes my friend. A miracle is an act committed with the will and power of God that cannot be naturally done by any living being. Such as Moses pbuh parting the sea and staff turning into a serpent and Jesus pbuh being born to a virgin woman, raising the dead, healing lepers. These were all miracles that were put in place by God for a purpose to show His power as God is the mightiest. Now for a few of the Qur'anic miracles. I have more for u if u like but I will start with 2 examples of each topic mathematic, scientific, astronomical and linguistic:
Mathematics:
The word for land in Arabic is used 13 times and the word for sea is used 32 throughout the Qur'an. 32+13=45. 13/45=28.88888889% and 32/45=71.1111111111%. Scientists have verified today that these are the exact percentages of land and water that cover our Earth's surface to this day. Each chapter of the Qur'an has a # of verses. If u add the chapter # and the # of verses u get an even or odd #. This is elementary. (ex Ch. 1 has 7 verses 1+7=8 even #). When this is done for each of the 114 chapters u get exactly 57 even # and 57 odd #. Adding all 57 evens gives u 6,236 which is the total # of verses in the entire Qur'an. Adding all odds gives u 6,555 which is the sum of 1+2+3....114.
Science:
Chapter 57 is Al-Hadyd or "The Iron". Arabic and Hebrew letters have numerical value in a sense like Roman Numerals. Using letters without vowels the word Hadyd (H=8 D=4 Y=10 and D=4) these total 26. Go to any scientific periodic element chart and locate Fe the symbol for iron, u will see the atomic number is 26. When u add the Arabic article "Al" making it "The Iron" the name of the chapter, A=1 and L=30 equaling 31. 31+26=57 which is the chapter number of the Qur'an. Also 57 is exactly halfway through the 114 Qur'anic chapters. If u cut the Earth exactly in half the inner core consists of IRON. The word Qamar or "moon" is used exactly 27 times throughout the Qur'an. The word Ahilah "New Moons" is used only once. 27+1=28 and scientists have discovered there are exactly 28 stages in the monthly lunar cycle of the moon as it orbits our Earth. Also in Ch.54 Al-Qamar "The Moon" the word moon is only used in verse 1. If u count the remaining verses to the end of the Qur'an u get 1390. The year 1390 in the Islamic Hijra calendar equals the year 1969 of the Gregorian Calendar that we go by today. We all know man first set foot on the moon
in 1969.
Linguistics:
These words I will list are not used in the same verse after verse. They are spread out throughout the entire scripture. The word for man and woman are each used 23 times. And males and females each have 23 sex chromosomes. The word for day in its singular form is used exactly 365 times. The word for month is used 12 times. Angels and devils are each used 88 times. This life and Hereafter are each used 115 times. Allah says Jesus pbuh is like Adam pbuh meaning He created them both. Another way they are alike is their names are mentioned exactly 25 times each. They are only mentioned in the same verse twice. With the miracle of the #19 in the Qur'an which I can cover with u later, the last time both Adam and Jesus pbut are mentioned in the same verse is the 19th time Adam pbuh is mentioned and the 19th time Jesus pbuh is mentioned and it is in the 19th chapter of the Qur'an.
Astronomy: Chapter 46 is Al-Ahqaf which means "Sand dunes" in 46:23 it says "MA uRSil'tu bihi" meaning "What I am sent with". In verse 46:30 it says "unzila min ba'aDi MOoSaa" meaning "Revealed after Moses". Now these verses don't mention anything astronomical in message. But look at letters I capitalized in quotation marks. The Arabic letters Mim(M) Alif(A) Ra® and Sin(S) appear in this order and spell "MARS" where the capital letters Dal(D)Mim(M)Waw(O)and Sin(S) in order spell "DMOS". The name of one of the moons that orbits Mars is called "Deimos". This is the only chapter these names are both mentioned together and with today's technology, scientists have recently discovered Mars is a planet completely covered with "sand dunes" which IS ALSO the name of this chapter. Ch.53 An-Najm "The Star" in verse 9 refers to the distance the Archangel Gabriel was near the Prophet Muhammad pbuh during the revelation of the Qur'an 53:9(And was at a distance of but TWO BOW-LENGTHS or even nearer). In verse 49 The Mighty star Sirius is mentioned 53:49 (And He (Allah) is Lord of Sirius the Mighty Star). Scientists have discovered Sirius is actually a double star that orbits in a bow-shape (TWO BOWS) and its orbit lasts 49.9 years which are the 2 separate verse # that these are mentioned in the Qur'an of Ch.53 The Star. UNLIKE English and MANY other languages, In Arabic there is no letter "V". So in Arabic the letter "W" is used to replace "V". In 8:72 it says "Wa ENUS tansurookum" meaning "And if they seek your help" The letters "WENUS" appear in order and WITH THE W REPLACING THE V THIS WOULD SPELL THE PLANET VENUS. the next verse where they appear again is in 11:3 "Wa ENUStaghfiru rabbakum" meaning "And seek forgiveness of your Lord". In 17:7 it says "Wa ENUSatum" or "If you do evil". It SHOWS HERE that there are 243 verses between 8:72 and 11:3. Scientists have discovered it takes the planet Venus 243 days to revolve around the sun rotating on its own axis in an opposite direction of other planets. But to go further it rotates on an angle of 177 degrees (17:7).
So all of these my friend plus many more I can share with u show that these all can't be coincidences but there was a genius blueprint and strategy that no human being could put forward. Especially in a scripture, revealed verses at a time, over a 23 year period. This is truly the word of God alone which none other can claim.
Ahem, this is not what I expected, I expected the other scientific miracles. However, what you're doing right now is very well explained in this video
To make it easy to understand, if you have big enough numbers, words and information you'll find all kinds of coincidences and patterns, and yes. They are coincidences and patterns, nothing more. It's mathematics, if you're gonna argue against mathematics, go ahead. So that should debunk pretty much everything you've said, but I'm not done. This should answer the "Science" and "Astronomy" claims, because you've used a heavy instance of math there. Whether you believe it or not, that is a mathematical coincidence no matter how much it doesn't look like it. Also humans have a tendency to seek patterns in random data, google up Apophenia. That's why you think this is miraculous, you assign the coincidences to a miraculous action from God.
I can add some more arguments against the linguistics: The word for day is actually used 475 times according to
However, to be fair, wikiislam has it's criticism that you can view here, it actually made a page about it's criticism from both muslims and non-muslims
The ones about Jesus and Adam don't need to be coincidences, the writers could've just put it there... it's quite obvious.
The conclusion here is, you're wrong with the numbers.
Regarding the rest i.e astronomy, science etc, you've used heavy mathematics and they're pure coincidences, the video by Vsauce I linked demonstrates that.
This one wasn't fun to argue against it was just maths maths maths, however, thanks for taking your time. Hope we both learned something so far.
And, yes. They actually can be coincidences whether you believe it or not, whether you like it or not. Mathematics =)
I'm glad u took the chance to at least read and take a look at these miracles of the Qur'an. But u have to put everything I said into effect as well before u declare it as false. First off u have to understand this is with the original ARABIC LANGUAGE and not English or any other language it has been translated into. I said the word for "day" in the singular form which is "yaum" is used exactly 365 times. The forms of angel "Malaika" and devil "Shaitin" are used 88 times each. The word for man as mankind is "insan or nas" which is different from "rajul" meaning male human or man. This life "Dunya" and Hereafter "Akhirah" are each used 115 times.
What makes this as a miraculous scripture is who on the Earth, in the 7th century had access to this knowledge? Technology didn't yet exist to verify it. Yes mathematics is involved but God is The One who allows mathematics to work in and out of our atmosphere. So with astronomical value to the exact detail in a time period before telescopes were even invented, who besides God knew how many days it takes Venus to revolve around the sun, and at what angle it was tilted on its axis? Or that Mars was covered with sand dunes? Or that the Star Sirius is actually a double star with a bow-shaped orbit occurring every 49.9 years? Or something would happen on the moon in 1390 Hijra or 1969 A.D? To bring it closer to home, what about the precise water and land coverages on Earth? And the atomic number of iron which also happens to be the middle or core of our planet?
Other things mentioned that I didn't mention before such as the mountains. The people of the 7th century thought mountains held up the skies. Allah says in the Qur'an He put mountains in place as pegs lest the Earth should shake with you. Mountains are buried deep beneath the Earth as science has recently proven to prevent quakes. And what about the creation of the embryo. Qur'anic detail gives precise form, shape, and stages of the embryo in it's earliest form. This is when scientists say it is about the size of a grain of rice. Being no x-rays or sonograms existed in the 7th century, someone had to know what they were talking about to describe it precisely to the "T". Or how about the "golden ratio" (1.61803398875)which is rounded to 1.618. Allah says in the Qur'an in 65:3 That "He (Allah) has an appointed measure for ALL THINGS." and 13:8 "And with Him, everything has due proportion." We all know Prophet Muhammad pbuh was from Mecca right? The place where the Holy Ka'abah is. If u use the Golden ratio for the planet Earth it points directly to the city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Is this just another coincidence or does this seem like a remarkable strategic plan?
So all of this coming from God Himself shows that only He had the knowledge then and why He is the sole producer of the Qur'an. This is one reason He sent it through Prophet Muhammad pbuh, a man who was illiterate. This shows that no man, not even God's messenger to all mankind could produce such a mighty scripture. Which not only gives God's message to mankind but also miraculously covers all areas and lifestyles of the people that were vainly arrogant of their knowledge of these things. So as said before my friend this is the work of God Allah alone. The Sole Creator of all things. No human could even begin to strategize such a marvel and this shows Allah is no human. If all humans created, put their brilliant minds together to try to construct such a plan it could never happen. But with Allah as God it is very simple. When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is.
Let's compare how many people Iblis has killed and how many people Allah has killed. We keep being told by the Quran how weak Iblis is. So Allah wins right? Allah controls all after all.
July 13, 2016 at 9:38 am (This post was last modified: July 13, 2016 at 9:51 am by RozKek.)
(July 13, 2016 at 7:40 am)Sheed1980 Wrote:
(July 12, 2016 at 4:26 pm)RozKek Wrote: Ahem, this is not what I expected, I expected the other scientific miracles. However, what you're doing right now is very well explained in this video
To make it easy to understand, if you have big enough numbers, words and information you'll find all kinds of coincidences and patterns, and yes. They are coincidences and patterns, nothing more. It's mathematics, if you're gonna argue against mathematics, go ahead. So that should debunk pretty much everything you've said, but I'm not done. This should answer the "Science" and "Astronomy" claims, because you've used a heavy instance of math there. Whether you believe it or not, that is a mathematical coincidence no matter how much it doesn't look like it. Also humans have a tendency to seek patterns in random data, google up Apophenia. That's why you think this is miraculous, you assign the coincidences to a miraculous action from God.
I can add some more arguments against the linguistics: The word for day is actually used 475 times according to
However, to be fair, wikiislam has it's criticism that you can view here, it actually made a page about it's criticism from both muslims and non-muslims
The ones about Jesus and Adam don't need to be coincidences, the writers could've just put it there... it's quite obvious.
The conclusion here is, you're wrong with the numbers.
Regarding the rest i.e astronomy, science etc, you've used heavy mathematics and they're pure coincidences, the video by Vsauce I linked demonstrates that.
This one wasn't fun to argue against it was just maths maths maths, however, thanks for taking your time. Hope we both learned something so far.
And, yes. They actually can be coincidences whether you believe it or not, whether you like it or not. Mathematics =) [/hide]
I'm glad u took the chance to at least read and take a look at these miracles of the Qur'an. But u have to put everything I said into effect as well before u declare it as false. First off u have to understand this is with the original ARABIC LANGUAGE and not English or any other language it has been translated into. I said the word for "day" in the singular form which is "yaum" is used exactly 365 times. The forms of angel "Malaika" and devil "Shaitin" are used 88 times each. The word for man as mankind is "insan or nas" which is different from "rajul" meaning male human or man. This life "Dunya" and Hereafter "Akhirah" are each used 115 times.
What makes this as a miraculous scripture is who on the Earth, in the 7th century had access to this knowledge? Technology didn't yet exist to verify it. Yes mathematics is involved but God is The One who allows mathematics to work in and out of our atmosphere. So with astronomical value to the exact detail in a time period before telescopes were even invented, who besides God knew how many days it takes Venus to revolve around the sun, and at what angle it was tilted on its axis? Or that Mars was covered with sand dunes? Or that the Star Sirius is actually a double star with a bow-shaped orbit occurring every 49.9 years? Or something would happen on the moon in 1390 Hijra or 1969 A.D? To bring it closer to home, what about the precise water and land coverages on Earth? And the atomic number of iron which also happens to be the middle or core of our planet?
Other things mentioned that I didn't mention before such as the mountains. The people of the 7th century thought mountains held up the skies. Allah says in the Qur'an He put mountains in place as pegs lest the Earth should shake with you. Mountains are buried deep beneath the Earth as science has recently proven to prevent quakes. And what about the creation of the embryo. Qur'anic detail gives precise form, shape, and stages of the embryo in it's earliest form. This is when scientists say it is about the size of a grain of rice. Being no x-rays or sonograms existed in the 7th century, someone had to know what they were talking about to describe it precisely to the "T". Or how about the "golden ratio" (1.61803398875)which is rounded to 1.618. Allah says in the Qur'an in 65:3 That "He (Allah) has an appointed measure for ALL THINGS." and 13:8 "And with Him, everything has due proportion." We all know Prophet Muhammad pbuh was from Mecca right? The place where the Holy Ka'abah is. If u use the Golden ratio for the planet Earth it points directly to the city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Is this just another coincidence or does this seem like a remarkable strategic plan?
So all of this coming from God Himself shows that only He had the knowledge then and why He is the sole producer of the Qur'an. This is one reason He sent it through Prophet Muhammad pbuh, a man who was illiterate. This shows that no man, not even God's messenger to all mankind could produce such a mighty scripture. Which not only gives God's message to mankind but also miraculously covers all areas and lifestyles of the people that were vainly arrogant of their knowledge of these things. So as said before my friend this is the work of God Allah alone. The Sole Creator of all things. No human could even begin to strategize such a marvel and this shows Allah is no human. If all humans created, put their brilliant minds together to try to construct such a plan it could never happen. But with Allah as God it is very simple. When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is.
Alright, alright. This is a bit difficult for me to comment on since the Qur'an is quite vague and I don't speak arabic. However, we remember we agreed on that a miracle is something that is impossible without help from god. And like I've said, even if it doesn't seem like a coincidence, it is. You watched the video? Was there anything special with the bible and shakespear? No, it was just a coincidence found in one page. The Qur'an has 6000 verses and close to 80000 words. If you take a book as big as the Qur'an you can find so many patterns and coincidences in it that seem unreal. Also, I cannot confirm what you're saying is actually correct, I don't know where you got the information from. Also, I haven't used it much but WikiIslam lists sources, that should make it reliable, I'll use it more and see how it is, but I doubt WikiIslam uses only english Qur'ans since they do list sources from where they get it from etc.
This is taken directly from WikiIslam
"What Qur'an translation do you use?
Unless otherwise stated, we use the respected and widely accepted translations of Yusuf Ali, Marmaduke Pickthal or M. H. Shakir. All Qur'an quotes are taken from the University of Southern California Muslim Students Association's Compendium of Muslim Texts." A link to their FAQ https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Fre..._Questions
This should help.
If you look here, this guy lists all the verses with the word Yawm in it
You can use this as a heads up, check the verses yourself and count the words. Since your claim about Yawm is wrong I doubt that your other numbers are right. You should do the research yourself instead of just believing what another site says. Sure, you can say that too me too, but I, at least post my sources so you can check for yourself.
I don't understand what you mean by god allows mathematics... mathematics is simply symbols and such to describe the universe, phenomenon etc, it's not a physical thing that god can allow and not allow.
Also, how come when I search if mountains prevent earth quakes there come no scientific articles but instead shitloads of islamic sites? It seems like what you're saying about mountains and earthquakes is bullshit and not correct, just made up my muslims trying to deceive themselves and others. However:
1) The largest earthquake ever recorded, the great Chilean earthquake wasn't prevented or stabilized by The Andes Mountain range.
2) The Asssam Mountains did nothing to prevent or stabilize a strong earthquake in Arunachal Pradesh in India.
So, you're wrong about the mountains and earthquakes and that means the Qur'an is wrong and if the Qur'an is wrong it can't be the words of God, can it?
Yet again, I searched up the golden ratio of earth, waddaya see. No scientific articles, just lies and bullshit. But I'll leave this here
Now, last but not least! The embryology, my favorite! Now, we go back to what miracles are. Something that cannot happen without help from Allah. However, the ancient greeks had theories about the development of human embryos and they were almost correct. And they did it without the help from god. The important thing here is, one can clearly see the embryology information in the Qur'an is taken from the ancient greeks (Saudi Arabia had universities filled with ancient greek knowledge, so yes they could access it, I can get into that later on if you want). Funny thing is the Qur'an description of the embryology is very very similiar to the ancient greek description, not only that but both of them are actually wrong. Also, one of the most important parts, the ovum isn't mentioned in the ancient greek description and it isn't mentioned in the Qur'anic description either, how funny.
it's a strong indication that it's taken from the ancient greeks. Why wouldn't Allah mention one of the most important parts?
You need to check your sources, you've been tricked. Don't believe everything you read.
Also, can you use paragraphs, thanks? Don't you get tired of writing everything so messy?
I'm glad u took the chance to at least read and take a look at these miracles of the Qur'an. But u have to put everything I said into effect as well before u declare it as false. First off u have to understand this is with the original ARABIC LANGUAGE and not English or any other language it has been translated into. I said the word for "day" in the singular form which is "yaum" is used exactly 365 times. The forms of angel "Malaika" and devil "Shaitin" are used 88 times each. The word for man as mankind is "insan or nas" which is different from "rajul" meaning male human or man. This life "Dunya" and Hereafter "Akhirah" are each used 115 times.
What makes this as a miraculous scripture is who on the Earth, in the 7th century had access to this knowledge? Technology didn't yet exist to verify it. Yes mathematics is involved but God is The One who allows mathematics to work in and out of our atmosphere. So with astronomical value to the exact detail in a time period before telescopes were even invented, who besides God knew how many days it takes Venus to revolve around the sun, and at what angle it was tilted on its axis? Or that Mars was covered with sand dunes? Or that the Star Sirius is actually a double star with a bow-shaped orbit occurring every 49.9 years? Or something would happen on the moon in 1390 Hijra or 1969 A.D? To bring it closer to home, what about the precise water and land coverages on Earth? And the atomic number of iron which also happens to be the middle or core of our planet?
Other things mentioned that I didn't mention before such as the mountains. The people of the 7th century thought mountains held up the skies. Allah says in the Qur'an He put mountains in place as pegs lest the Earth should shake with you. Mountains are buried deep beneath the Earth as science has recently proven to prevent quakes. And what about the creation of the embryo. Qur'anic detail gives precise form, shape, and stages of the embryo in it's earliest form. This is when scientists say it is about the size of a grain of rice. Being no x-rays or sonograms existed in the 7th century, someone had to know what they were talking about to describe it precisely to the "T". Or how about the "golden ratio" (1.61803398875)which is rounded to 1.618. Allah says in the Qur'an in 65:3 That "He (Allah) has an appointed measure for ALL THINGS." and 13:8 "And with Him, everything has due proportion." We all know Prophet Muhammad pbuh was from Mecca right? The place where the Holy Ka'abah is. If u use the Golden ratio for the planet Earth it points directly to the city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Is this just another coincidence or does this seem like a remarkable strategic plan?
So all of this coming from God Himself shows that only He had the knowledge then and why He is the sole producer of the Qur'an. This is one reason He sent it through Prophet Muhammad pbuh, a man who was illiterate. This shows that no man, not even God's messenger to all mankind could produce such a mighty scripture. Which not only gives God's message to mankind but also miraculously covers all areas and lifestyles of the people that were vainly arrogant of their knowledge of these things. So as said before my friend this is the work of God Allah alone. The Sole Creator of all things. No human could even begin to strategize such a marvel and this shows Allah is no human. If all humans created, put their brilliant minds together to try to construct such a plan it could never happen. But with Allah as God it is very simple. When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is.
Alright, alright. This is a bit difficult for me to comment on since the Qur'an is quite vague and I don't speak arabic. However, we remember we agreed on that a miracle is something that is impossible without help from god. And like I've said, even if it doesn't seem like a coincidence, it is. You watched the video? Was there anything special with the bible and shakespear? No, it was just a coincidence found in one page. The Qur'an has 6000 verses and close to 80000 words. If you take a book as big as the Qur'an you can find so many patterns and coincidences in it that seem unreal. Also, I cannot confirm what you're saying is actually correct, I don't know where you got the information from. Also, I haven't used it much but WikiIslam lists sources, that should make it reliable, I'll use it more and see how it is, but I doubt WikiIslam uses only english Qur'ans since they do list sources from where they get it from etc.
This is taken directly from WikiIslam
"What Qur'an translation do you use?
Unless otherwise stated, we use the respected and widely accepted translations of Yusuf Ali, Marmaduke Pickthal or M. H. Shakir. All Qur'an quotes are taken from the University of Southern California Muslim Students Association's Compendium of Muslim Texts." A link to their FAQ https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Fre..._Questions
This should help.
If you look here, this guy lists all the verses with the word Yawm in it
You can use this as a heads up, check the verses yourself and count the words. Since your claim about Yawm is wrong I doubt that your other numbers are right. You should do the research yourself instead of just believing what another site says. Sure, you can say that too me too, but I, at least post my sources so you can check for yourself.
I don't understand what you mean by god allows mathematics... mathematics is simply symbols and such to describe the universe, phenomenon etc, it's not a physical thing that god can allow and not allow.
Also, how come when I search if mountains prevent earth quakes there come no scientific articles but instead shitloads of islamic sites? It seems like what you're saying about mountains and earthquakes is bullshit and not correct, just made up my muslims trying to deceive themselves and others. However:
1) The largest earthquake ever recorded, the great Chilean earthquake wasn't prevented or stabilized by The Andes Mountain range.
2) The Asssam Mountains did nothing to prevent or stabilize a strong earthquake in Arunachal Pradesh in India.
So, you're wrong about the mountains and earthquakes and that means the Qur'an is wrong and if the Qur'an is wrong it can't be the words of God, can it?
Yet again, I searched up the golden ratio of earth, waddaya see. No scientific articles, just lies and bullshit. But I'll leave this here
Now, last but not least! The embryology, my favorite! Now, we go back to what miracles are. Something that cannot happen without help from Allah. However, the ancient greeks had theories about the development of human embryos and they were almost correct. And they did it without the help from god. The important thing here is, one can clearly see the embryology information in the Qur'an is taken from the ancient greeks (Saudi Arabia had universities filled with ancient greek knowledge, so yes they could access it, I can get into that later on if you want). Funny thing is the Qur'an description of the embryology is very very similiar to the ancient greek description, not only that but both of them are actually wrong. Also, one of the most important parts, the ovum isn't mentioned in the ancient greek description and it isn't mentioned in the Qur'anic description either, how funny.
it's a strong indication that it's taken from the ancient greeks. Why wouldn't Allah mention one of the most important parts?
You need to check your sources, you've been tricked. Don't believe everything you read.
Also, can you use fucking paragraphs, thanks?
Sure my friend I will try to break it into paragraphs. I just get carried away typing sometimes. I apologize. But to the points at hand:
Yes a miracle is something that CANNOT be naturally performed WITHOUT the help of God. Jesus pbuh born to a virgin woman can't be naturally done. But with God's power and will of His creature, the blessed virgin Mary giving birth to His messenger Jesus pbuh, is a miracle. The unnatural came into being only because God willed it to be. The creation of Adam pbuh. A hollow, lifeless statue similar to that of pottery made of clay from different colors and forms of earth mixed with water, was brought to life by God. Once alive the being Adam pbuh was no longer hollow, but had bones, blood, muscles, organs and all things different from when he was lifeless. These are miracles. Unnatural actions coming into being only by the power and will of God alone.
Notice how precise the numbers are in the Qur'an. Like u say around 6000 verses. But the exact # of verses is 6236 which when used gives a more precise calculation. For instance the #19. Now why does Allah use this #? We don't know. Perhaps because it consist of the lowest & highest whole # value of single digits 1 and 9. Or in a sense "The beginning and end of single digit value". The #19 is too large a #to just randomly take a chance. If u do the math 19 is a less than 5% chance. In 74:30 of the Qur'an Allah says there are nineteen angels guarding Hell. In the very next verse it details why this # was mentioned. It says "This will give the People of the Book (Jews & Christians) certainty, and also increase the faith of the Believers (Muslims). But to those who disbelieve & have diseases in their hearts will just deride the information. Now to get deeper on u here. The verse that states this consists of 57 Arabic words or 19x3. The Arabic words in this chapter prior to this verse are 95 or 19x5. The total Arabic words in the first 19 verses of this chapter are also 57 or 19x3. If u count all of the Arabic letters just before the mention of the word "nineteen" u get 361 or 19x19. So all of these 19's mentioned near the word nineteen is just a coincidence? I don't think so. Chapter 96 was the first revelation of the Qur'an to the Prophet Muhammad pbuh from Allah through the Angel Gabriel pbuh. The first 5 verse which he received at one time consist of 19 words which consist of 76 letters or 19x4. The entire chapter has 19 verses and consists of 285 letters or 19x15. Also being 114 chapters of the Qur'an or 19x6, chapter 96 is the first of the last 19 chapters. 114-95=19. The 72nd ch. also has 285 words or 19x15 and the chapter ends by saying "Allah has taken into account everything NUMERICALLY" If u take the last word of every chapter's verse and add them together u get 114 or 19x6, which is also the total amount of chapters of the Qur'an. Ch. 50 is Qaf which is English letter "Q". If u count the letter Qaf in that entire chapter u get 57 or 19x3. In 3:59 (the 7th time each name is mentioned) this is where Allah says Jesus is like Adam. Meaning they are both His creations. The next verse they are both mentioned together is in Ch.19 which is the 19th time Adam pbuh is mentioned & the 19th time Jesus pbuh is mentioned. If u count the verses between the first time they are both mentioned together up until this time u get 1957 verses or 19x103. Also if u count the verse #s up to the 19th where Jesus pbuh is mentioned. Add all verse #s and u get the sum 1957 or 19x103. So all of these show a divine art of strategic planning, too precise and numerous with a less than 5% # to be just a coincidence.
Shakespeare was a human being. Very gifted? yes. But he still was only a human being. Plus the entire bible, Old & New Testaments, are not the complete word of God alone. Mankind has added verses to the bible claiming it to be God's complete word. In Jeremiah 8:8 It clearly says "How can you say we are wise and have the law of The Lord when the lying pens of the scribes have falsified it?" This clearly states there are false entries from mankind throughout the entire Bible. This is one of the Qur'an's purposes. As the complete word of God alone, it confirms the truth revealed from God to mankind in the Bible, but it also corrects the Bible's falsehood. So since Shakespeare, was apparently a human, he, nor any other human being could produce even a single chapter like that of the Qur'an. So u can't compare mankind's word with God's word.
No matter what Qur'anic interpretation is used, the translation may be different words, but the Arabic is TOTALLY UNCHANGED, and has been for over 1400 year since the Qur'an was first revealed. For example The Arabic attribute of God Ar-Rahman is translated as The Most Gracious. But in other translations is translated as The Merciful Benefactor, and also as The Beneficent. So all of these translations have synonymous meanings with each other and traced back to the original Arabic word Ar-Rahman which in Arabic means merciful, gracious, kind in mercy etc.
Again u miss my point with the word day. Yaum is the Arabic word for day in the SINGULAR FORM. This is the word used 365 times in the Qur'an. There are other terms the word is used with such as "Yaumal Qiyamah" or The Day of Resurrection. Also the term and chapter title 101, Al-Qaari'ah means the Day of noise and clamor. So if reading just the English translation u see the word "day" here but it is in a different Arabic wording than yaum. So it would not pertain to this. So again the word yaum by itself in SINGULAR FORM, is used exactly 365 times.
Sure God allows it. This is why it works. As do all things. Science, gravity, time and all things we have knowledge of, and of things we don't. They all work because God willed it that way. Just as u can't see hydrogen and oxygen, but u can breathe them in so u know they're there. U also know that if u mix them together, 2 separate gases, they form to make water which is a liquid. God allowed this to take place. Because all gases that mix don't necessarily have to make a liquid, but if God willed it as so, then it will be. U can't see gravity but u know it exists lest we would float off into space. God is The One who taught mankind of the knowledge of the things He created and how they work. Numbers (mathematics) and science are 2 of the greatest forms of knowledge to have. Because no matter what side of the world u come from. No matter what language u speak, or religious background u come from.... 1+1=2. Fire is hot, and ice is cold. The Earth is spinning and revolving around the sun even though we can't feel it moving. These are all things among millions of others in which God has allowed and blessed us to learn about.
I never said earthquakes don't happen. They happen all the time. The Qur'an speaks of The Convulsion that will happen all around the world on The Day of Judgment and mankind will fear and say "What is wrong with her (The Earth)". But with the number of quakes that happen around the world, if mountains were not on Earth, imagine how much more frequently they would happen everywhere. The mountains deeply rooted into the levels of crust and mantle of the Earth, have been compared to nails pegged deeply between 2 stacked boards to keep them from slipping apart. So if mountains weren't here then we would have earthquakes everyday in every place all over the world.
Finally for the embryo. The Qur'an lists the embryo as Al-Alaq or the leech like clot. Scientist today have verified the way the embryo clings in the mother's womb is like that of a leech. Allah also says the embryo resembles a chewed object. Look at this link to view for urself http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FS6fKraSVOs/Tp..._Leech.png. With no microscopes, x-rays or sonograms and an embryo the size of a single grain of rice, what human being in ancient Greece or 7th century Arabia would have this precise knowledge of what a tiny embryo hidden in a mother's womb would look like except for The One Who created it? Also Allah lists the stages of embryonic progression in The Qur'an 23:14 "Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!"
So all of these show The Qur'an non-coincidental but the true word of God Allah, in which He has given us signs that we are verifying as true with our knowledge and technology today.
Sure my friend I will try to break it into paragraphs. I just get carried away typing sometimes. I apologize. But to the points at hand:
Yes a miracle is something that CANNOT be naturally performed WITHOUT the help of God. Jesus pbuh born to a virgin woman can't be naturally done. But with God's power and will of His creature, the blessed virgin Mary giving birth to His messenger Jesus pbuh, is a miracle. The unnatural came into being only because God willed it to be. The creation of Adam pbuh. A hollow, lifeless statue similar to that of pottery made of clay from different colors and forms of earth mixed with water, was brought to life by God. Once alive the being Adam pbuh was no longer hollow, but had bones, blood, muscles, organs and all things different from when he was lifeless. These are miracles. Unnatural actions coming into being only by the power and will of God alone.
Notice how precise the numbers are in the Qur'an. Like u say around 6000 verses. But the exact # of verses is 6236 which when used gives a more precise calculation. For instance the #19. Now why does Allah use this #? We don't know. Perhaps because it consist of the lowest & highest whole # value of single digits 1 and 9. Or in a sense "The beginning and end of single digit value". The #19 is too large a #to just randomly take a chance. If u do the math 19 is a less than 5% chance. In 74:30 of the Qur'an Allah says there are nineteen angels guarding Hell. In the very next verse it details why this # was mentioned. It says "This will give the People of the Book (Jews & Christians) certainty, and also increase the faith of the Believers (Muslims). But to those who disbelieve & have diseases in their hearts will just deride the information. Now to get deeper on u here. The verse that states this consists of 57 Arabic words or 19x3. The Arabic words in this chapter prior to this verse are 95 or 19x5. The total Arabic words in the first 19 verses of this chapter are also 57 or 19x3. If u count all of the Arabic letters just before the mention of the word "nineteen" u get 361 or 19x19. So all of these 19's mentioned near the word nineteen is just a coincidence? I don't think so. Chapter 96 was the first revelation of the Qur'an to the Prophet Muhammad pbuh from Allah through the Angel Gabriel pbuh. The first 5 verse which he received at one time consist of 19 words which consist of 76 letters or 19x4. The entire chapter has 19 verses and consists of 285 letters or 19x15. Also being 114 chapters of the Qur'an or 19x6, chapter 96 is the first of the last 19 chapters. 114-95=19. The 72nd ch. also has 285 words or 19x15 and the chapter ends by saying "Allah has taken into account everything NUMERICALLY" If u take the last word of every chapter's verse and add them together u get 114 or 19x6, which is also the total amount of chapters of the Qur'an. Ch. 50 is Qaf which is English letter "Q". If u count the letter Qaf in that entire chapter u get 57 or 19x3. In 3:59 (the 7th time each name is mentioned) this is where Allah says Jesus is like Adam. Meaning they are both His creations. The next verse they are both mentioned together is in Ch.19 which is the 19th time Adam pbuh is mentioned & the 19th time Jesus pbuh is mentioned. If u count the verses between the first time they are both mentioned together up until this time u get 1957 verses or 19x103. Also if u count the verse #s up to the 19th where Jesus pbuh is mentioned. Add all verse #s and u get the sum 1957 or 19x103. So all of these show a divine art of strategic planning, too precise and numerous with a less than 5% # to be just a coincidence.
Shakespeare was a human being. Very gifted? yes. But he still was only a human being. Plus the entire bible, Old & New Testaments, are not the complete word of God alone. Mankind has added verses to the bible claiming it to be God's complete word. In Jeremiah 8:8 It clearly says "How can you say we are wise and have the law of The Lord when the lying pens of the scribes have falsified it?" This clearly states there are false entries from mankind throughout the entire Bible. This is one of the Qur'an's purposes. As the complete word of God alone, it confirms the truth revealed from God to mankind in the Bible, but it also corrects the Bible's falsehood. So since Shakespeare, was apparently a human, he, nor any other human being could produce even a single chapter like that of the Qur'an. So u can't compare mankind's word with God's word.
No matter what Qur'anic interpretation is used, the translation may be different words, but the Arabic is TOTALLY UNCHANGED, and has been for over 1400 year since the Qur'an was first revealed. For example The Arabic attribute of God Ar-Rahman is translated as The Most Gracious. But in other translations is translated as The Merciful Benefactor, and also as The Beneficent. So all of these translations have synonymous meanings with each other and traced back to the original Arabic word Ar-Rahman which in Arabic means merciful, gracious, kind in mercy etc.
Again u miss my point with the word day. Yaum is the Arabic word for day in the SINGULAR FORM. This is the word used 365 times in the Qur'an. There are other terms the word is used with such as "Yaumal Qiyamah" or The Day of Resurrection. Also the term and chapter title 101, Al-Qaari'ah means the Day of noise and clamor. So if reading just the English translation u see the word "day" here but it is in a different Arabic wording than yaum. So it would not pertain to this. So again the word yaum by itself in SINGULAR FORM, is used exactly 365 times.
Sure God allows it. This is why it works. As do all things. Science, gravity, time and all things we have knowledge of, and of things we don't. They all work because God willed it that way. Just as u can't see hydrogen and oxygen, but u can breathe them in so u know they're there. U also know that if u mix them together, 2 separate gases, they form to make water which is a liquid. God allowed this to take place. Because all gases that mix don't necessarily have to make a liquid, but if God willed it as so, then it will be. U can't see gravity but u know it exists lest we would float off into space. God is The One who taught mankind of the knowledge of the things He created and how they work. Numbers (mathematics) and science are 2 of the greatest forms of knowledge to have. Because no matter what side of the world u come from. No matter what language u speak, or religious background u come from.... 1+1=2. Fire is hot, and ice is cold. The Earth is spinning and revolving around the sun even though we can't feel it moving. These are all things among millions of others in which God has allowed and blessed us to learn about.
I never said earthquakes don't happen. They happen all the time. The Qur'an speaks of The Convulsion that will happen all around the world on The Day of Judgment and mankind will fear and say "What is wrong with her (The Earth)". But with the number of quakes that happen around the world, if mountains were not on Earth, imagine how much more frequently they would happen everywhere. The mountains deeply rooted into the levels of crust and mantle of the Earth, have been compared to nails pegged deeply between 2 stacked boards to keep them from slipping apart. So if mountains weren't here then we would have earthquakes everyday in every place all over the world.
Finally for the embryo. The Qur'an lists the embryo as Al-Alaq or the leech like clot. Scientist today have verified the way the embryo clings in the mother's womb is like that of a leech. Allah also says the embryo resembles a chewed object. Look at this link to view for urself http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FS6fKraSVOs/Tp..._Leech.png. With no microscopes, x-rays or sonograms and an embryo the size of a single grain of rice, what human being in ancient Greece or 7th century Arabia would have this precise knowledge of what a tiny embryo hidden in a mother's womb would look like except for The One Who created it? Also Allah lists the stages of embryonic progression in The Qur'an 23:14 "Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!"
So all of these show The Qur'an non-coincidental but the true word of God Allah, in which He has given us signs that we are verifying as true with our knowledge and technology today.
Well, you can't take stuff from the Qur'an and say it's true without proving the Qur'an true. The Jesus virgin story etc etc aren't proven and they're irrelevant as of this discussion. But they're a good point of what miracles can be, so it might not be that irrelevant.
Well I'm not in the right mood to write essays and books so I'll answer more with links, also I'd still like your sources. The miracle of 19 seems like yet another mathematical coincidence/manipulation.
Here you can see the manipulation of 19 being used against islam, did Allah set them up too? Or are they simply just coincidences?
How do you know it has never been changed, how do you demonstrate that? Please use valid non biased sources.
How do you know God allows it to happen? Unsupported claim, all of it is happening without a God, and there are explanations for them. Go ahead and google up "Why can't we feel the earth moving?" Spoiler alert
the answer isn't God.
Science explains everything better than a God. God doesn't even explain.
Your golden ratio link is biased. It's made my religious people, they're quoting the bible, it is not scientific at all. I mean come on, the video I linked the guy goes into fucking google maps and searches the golden ratio so you can see for yourself... And I don't think you know what scientific is.
Why do you only count Yaum in its singular form? You're manipulating the data so it works in your favor.
Actually without mountains there would be no plate tectonics and that means there would be no earthquakes at all.
And if mountains were magically removed in an instant worldwide earthquakes would be caused, but for that to happen mountains must've existed at first, so the cause of the earthquakes would have mountains involved.
So, Allah could've not created mountains and there would be no earthquakes at all. But he decided to create mountains to protect against earthquakes that wouldn't exist if mountains (plate tectonics) didn't exist?
Regarding embryology I'll just send you links debunking them. Also, the Qur'an is very very vague, many words have several meanings and can easily be manipulated in order to go hand in hand with science and such.
Also, foetuses from misscarriages could be studied, just a heads up. And Al-alaq is a name for a surah and it doesn't mean leech like clot according to Wikipedia it can mean the following: The Clinging Form, The Clinging-Clot, The Clot, The Germ-Cell
Basically what was meant was that it was clinging, like a leech etc, not that it was a leech. And what I say is meant by leech is supported because the Qur'an describes it as a clinging clot (like the ancient greeks did) and what is clinging? A leech is. So it most likely wasn't meant to describe the embryology itself but "what" it does.
Lastly, you know when in translations there are parathensis (with words in them), they words in them can freely be added by muslims to clarify what they mean, and in doing so they can and I've seen them do put a word in there to clarify what is meant by a word but in some instances that is actually not what is meant by the word, so translations can be easily manipulated and the arabic version is vague.
Sure my friend I will try to break it into paragraphs. I just get carried away typing sometimes. I apologize. But to the points at hand:
Yes a miracle is something that CANNOT be naturally performed WITHOUT the help of God. Jesus pbuh born to a virgin woman can't be naturally done. But with God's power and will of His creature, the blessed virgin Mary giving birth to His messenger Jesus pbuh, is a miracle. The unnatural came into being only because God willed it to be. The creation of Adam pbuh. A hollow, lifeless statue similar to that of pottery made of clay from different colors and forms of earth mixed with water, was brought to life by God. Once alive the being Adam pbuh was no longer hollow, but had bones, blood, muscles, organs and all things different from when he was lifeless. These are miracles. Unnatural actions coming into being only by the power and will of God alone.
Notice how precise the numbers are in the Qur'an. Like u say around 6000 verses. But the exact # of verses is 6236 which when used gives a more precise calculation. For instance the #19. Now why does Allah use this #? We don't know. Perhaps because it consist of the lowest & highest whole # value of single digits 1 and 9. Or in a sense "The beginning and end of single digit value". The #19 is too large a #to just randomly take a chance. If u do the math 19 is a less than 5% chance. In 74:30 of the Qur'an Allah says there are nineteen angels guarding Hell. In the very next verse it details why this # was mentioned. It says "This will give the People of the Book (Jews & Christians) certainty, and also increase the faith of the Believers (Muslims). But to those who disbelieve & have diseases in their hearts will just deride the information. Now to get deeper on u here. The verse that states this consists of 57 Arabic words or 19x3. The Arabic words in this chapter prior to this verse are 95 or 19x5. The total Arabic words in the first 19 verses of this chapter are also 57 or 19x3. If u count all of the Arabic letters just before the mention of the word "nineteen" u get 361 or 19x19. So all of these 19's mentioned near the word nineteen is just a coincidence? I don't think so. Chapter 96 was the first revelation of the Qur'an to the Prophet Muhammad pbuh from Allah through the Angel Gabriel pbuh. The first 5 verse which he received at one time consist of 19 words which consist of 76 letters or 19x4. The entire chapter has 19 verses and consists of 285 letters or 19x15. Also being 114 chapters of the Qur'an or 19x6, chapter 96 is the first of the last 19 chapters. 114-95=19. The 72nd ch. also has 285 words or 19x15 and the chapter ends by saying "Allah has taken into account everything NUMERICALLY" If u take the last word of every chapter's verse and add them together u get 114 or 19x6, which is also the total amount of chapters of the Qur'an. Ch. 50 is Qaf which is English letter "Q". If u count the letter Qaf in that entire chapter u get 57 or 19x3. In 3:59 (the 7th time each name is mentioned) this is where Allah says Jesus is like Adam. Meaning they are both His creations. The next verse they are both mentioned together is in Ch.19 which is the 19th time Adam pbuh is mentioned & the 19th time Jesus pbuh is mentioned. If u count the verses between the first time they are both mentioned together up until this time u get 1957 verses or 19x103. Also if u count the verse #s up to the 19th where Jesus pbuh is mentioned. Add all verse #s and u get the sum 1957 or 19x103. So all of these show a divine art of strategic planning, too precise and numerous with a less than 5% # to be just a coincidence.
Shakespeare was a human being. Very gifted? yes. But he still was only a human being. Plus the entire bible, Old & New Testaments, are not the complete word of God alone. Mankind has added verses to the bible claiming it to be God's complete word. In Jeremiah 8:8 It clearly says "How can you say we are wise and have the law of The Lord when the lying pens of the scribes have falsified it?" This clearly states there are false entries from mankind throughout the entire Bible. This is one of the Qur'an's purposes. As the complete word of God alone, it confirms the truth revealed from God to mankind in the Bible, but it also corrects the Bible's falsehood. So since Shakespeare, was apparently a human, he, nor any other human being could produce even a single chapter like that of the Qur'an. So u can't compare mankind's word with God's word.
No matter what Qur'anic interpretation is used, the translation may be different words, but the Arabic is TOTALLY UNCHANGED, and has been for over 1400 year since the Qur'an was first revealed. For example The Arabic attribute of God Ar-Rahman is translated as The Most Gracious. But in other translations is translated as The Merciful Benefactor, and also as The Beneficent. So all of these translations have synonymous meanings with each other and traced back to the original Arabic word Ar-Rahman which in Arabic means merciful, gracious, kind in mercy etc.
Again u miss my point with the word day. Yaum is the Arabic word for day in the SINGULAR FORM. This is the word used 365 times in the Qur'an. There are other terms the word is used with such as "Yaumal Qiyamah" or The Day of Resurrection. Also the term and chapter title 101, Al-Qaari'ah means the Day of noise and clamor. So if reading just the English translation u see the word "day" here but it is in a different Arabic wording than yaum. So it would not pertain to this. So again the word yaum by itself in SINGULAR FORM, is used exactly 365 times.
Sure God allows it. This is why it works. As do all things. Science, gravity, time and all things we have knowledge of, and of things we don't. They all work because God willed it that way. Just as u can't see hydrogen and oxygen, but u can breathe them in so u know they're there. U also know that if u mix them together, 2 separate gases, they form to make water which is a liquid. God allowed this to take place. Because all gases that mix don't necessarily have to make a liquid, but if God willed it as so, then it will be. U can't see gravity but u know it exists lest we would float off into space. God is The One who taught mankind of the knowledge of the things He created and how they work. Numbers (mathematics) and science are 2 of the greatest forms of knowledge to have. Because no matter what side of the world u come from. No matter what language u speak, or religious background u come from.... 1+1=2. Fire is hot, and ice is cold. The Earth is spinning and revolving around the sun even though we can't feel it moving. These are all things among millions of others in which God has allowed and blessed us to learn about.
I never said earthquakes don't happen. They happen all the time. The Qur'an speaks of The Convulsion that will happen all around the world on The Day of Judgment and mankind will fear and say "What is wrong with her (The Earth)". But with the number of quakes that happen around the world, if mountains were not on Earth, imagine how much more frequently they would happen everywhere. The mountains deeply rooted into the levels of crust and mantle of the Earth, have been compared to nails pegged deeply between 2 stacked boards to keep them from slipping apart. So if mountains weren't here then we would have earthquakes everyday in every place all over the world.
Finally for the embryo. The Qur'an lists the embryo as Al-Alaq or the leech like clot. Scientist today have verified the way the embryo clings in the mother's womb is like that of a leech. Allah also says the embryo resembles a chewed object. Look at this link to view for urself http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FS6fKraSVOs/Tp..._Leech.png. With no microscopes, x-rays or sonograms and an embryo the size of a single grain of rice, what human being in ancient Greece or 7th century Arabia would have this precise knowledge of what a tiny embryo hidden in a mother's womb would look like except for The One Who created it? Also Allah lists the stages of embryonic progression in The Qur'an 23:14 "Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!"
So all of these show The Qur'an non-coincidental but the true word of God Allah, in which He has given us signs that we are verifying as true with our knowledge and technology today.
Well, you can't take stuff from the Qur'an and say it's true without proving the Qur'an true. The Jesus virgin story etc etc aren't proven and they're irrelevant as of this discussion. But they're a good point of what miracles can be, so it might not be that irrelevant.
Well I'm not in the right mood to write essays and books so I'll answer more with links, also I'd still like your sources. The miracle of 19 seems like yet another mathematical coincidence/manipulation.
Here you can see the manipulation of 19 being used against islam, did Allah set them up too? Or are they simply just coincidences?
How do you know it has never been changed, how do you demonstrate that? Please use valid non biased sources.
How do you know God allows it to happen? Unsupported claim, all of it is happening without a God, and there are explanations for them. Go ahead and google up "Why can't we feel the earth moving?" Spoiler alert
the answer isn't God.
Science explains everything better than a God. God doesn't even explain.
Your golden ratio link is biased. It's made my religious people, they're quoting the bible, it is not scientific at all. I mean come on, the video I linked the guy goes into fucking google maps and searches the golden ratio so you can see for yourself... And I don't think you know what scientific is.
Why do you only count Yaum in its singular form? You're manipulating the data so it works in your favor.
Actually without mountains there would be no plate tectonics and that means there would be no earthquakes at all.
And if mountains were magically removed in an instant worldwide earthquakes would be caused, but for that to happen mountains must've existed at first, so the cause of the earthquakes would have mountains involved.
So, Allah could've not created mountains and there would be no earthquakes at all. But he decided to create mountains to protect against earthquakes that wouldn't exist if mountains (plate tectonics) didn't exist?
Regarding embryology I'll just send you links debunking them. Also, the Qur'an is very very vague, many words have several meanings and can easily be manipulated in order to go hand in hand with science and such.
Also, foetuses from misscarriages could be studied, just a heads up. And Al-alaq is a name for a surah and it doesn't mean leech like clot according to Wikipedia it can mean the following: The Clinging Form, The Clinging-Clot, The Clot, The Germ-Cell
Basically what was meant was that it was clinging, like a leech etc, not that it was a leech. And what I say is meant by leech is supported because the Qur'an describes it as a clinging clot (like the ancient greeks did) and what is clinging? A leech is. So it most likely wasn't meant to describe the embryology itself but "what" it does.
Lastly, you know when in translations there are parathensis (with words in them), they words in them can freely be added by muslims to clarify what they mean, and in doing so they can and I've seen them do put a word in there to clarify what is meant by a word but in some instances that is actually not what is meant by the word, so translations can be easily manipulated and the arabic version is vague.
Well of all the info I've given u u still seem to deny it as true. That is fine. There is no compulsion in Religion as stated in the Qur'an. It is not in my power or will to guide u to accept Islam as ur religion. I only give u the true signs about it which show why I have increased faith that it is the word of God Allah. So as we are told to say to those who disbelieve. "To you be your way of belief and to me be my way of belief". Good luck to u my friend
July 13, 2016 at 3:14 pm (This post was last modified: July 13, 2016 at 3:32 pm by RozKek.)
(July 13, 2016 at 3:05 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:
(July 13, 2016 at 2:11 pm)RozKek Wrote: Well, you can't take stuff from the Qur'an and say it's true without proving the Qur'an true. The Jesus virgin story etc etc aren't proven and they're irrelevant as of this discussion. But they're a good point of what miracles can be, so it might not be that irrelevant.
Well I'm not in the right mood to write essays and books so I'll answer more with links, also I'd still like your sources. The miracle of 19 seems like yet another mathematical coincidence/manipulation.
Here you can see the manipulation of 19 being used against islam, did Allah set them up too? Or are they simply just coincidences?
How do you know it has never been changed, how do you demonstrate that? Please use valid non biased sources.
How do you know God allows it to happen? Unsupported claim, all of it is happening without a God, and there are explanations for them. Go ahead and google up "Why can't we feel the earth moving?" Spoiler alert
the answer isn't God.
Science explains everything better than a God. God doesn't even explain.
Your golden ratio link is biased. It's made my religious people, they're quoting the bible, it is not scientific at all. I mean come on, the video I linked the guy goes into fucking google maps and searches the golden ratio so you can see for yourself... And I don't think you know what scientific is.
Why do you only count Yaum in its singular form? You're manipulating the data so it works in your favor.
Actually without mountains there would be no plate tectonics and that means there would be no earthquakes at all.
And if mountains were magically removed in an instant worldwide earthquakes would be caused, but for that to happen mountains must've existed at first, so the cause of the earthquakes would have mountains involved.
So, Allah could've not created mountains and there would be no earthquakes at all. But he decided to create mountains to protect against earthquakes that wouldn't exist if mountains (plate tectonics) didn't exist?
Regarding embryology I'll just send you links debunking them. Also, the Qur'an is very very vague, many words have several meanings and can easily be manipulated in order to go hand in hand with science and such.
Also, foetuses from misscarriages could be studied, just a heads up. And Al-alaq is a name for a surah and it doesn't mean leech like clot according to Wikipedia it can mean the following: The Clinging Form, The Clinging-Clot, The Clot, The Germ-Cell
Basically what was meant was that it was clinging, like a leech etc, not that it was a leech. And what I say is meant by leech is supported because the Qur'an describes it as a clinging clot (like the ancient greeks did) and what is clinging? A leech is. So it most likely wasn't meant to describe the embryology itself but "what" it does.
Lastly, you know when in translations there are parathensis (with words in them), they words in them can freely be added by muslims to clarify what they mean, and in doing so they can and I've seen them do put a word in there to clarify what is meant by a word but in some instances that is actually not what is meant by the word, so translations can be easily manipulated and the arabic version is vague.
Well of all the info I've given u u still seem to deny it as true. That is fine. There is no compulsion in Religion as stated in the Qur'an. It is not in my power or will to guide u to accept Islam as ur religion. I only give u the true signs about it which show why I have increased faith that it is the word of God Allah. So as we are told to say to those who disbelieve. "To you be your way of belief and to me be my way of belief". Good luck to u my friend
You've given me the info and I've debunked/shown all of it wrong, what's the problem here? If you're going to deny that I've debunked them, which I have then you're the ignorant one here. I've met your claims one by one, providing you many many sources that you can check for yourself yet I'm the ignorant one. You've provided so called miracles and I've explained all of them to you without the need of god and even showed some wrong, and the Qur'an can't be wrong if it really is the word of god. E.g the mountains and earthquakes were wrong and nonsensical.
However, it is your decision, you do you, I do me. But if you really want to learn something you'll read this through and make up your mind after researching instead of believing what a site tells you. I was also a muslim two years ago, the difference between me and you is I researched everything I read, I didn't believe everything that worked in my favor and supported Islam, that's how I ended up as an atheist. I encourage you do the same.
(July 13, 2016 at 3:05 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: Well of all the info I've given u u still seem to deny it as true. That is fine. There is no compulsion in Religion as stated in the Qur'an. It is not in my power or will to guide u to accept Islam as ur religion. I only give u the true signs about it which show why I have increased faith that it is the word of God Allah. So as we are told to say to those who disbelieve. "To you be your way of belief and to me be my way of belief". Good luck to u my friend
You've given me the info and I've debunked/shown all of it wrong, what's the problem here? If you're going to deny that I've debunked them, which I have then you're the ignorant one here. I've met your claims one by one, providing you many many sources that you can check for yourself yet I'm the ignorant one. You've provided so called miracles and I've explained all of them to you without the need of god and even showed some wrong, and the Qur'an can't be wrong if it really is the word of god. E.g the mountains and earthquakes were wrong and nonsensical.
However, it is your decision, you do you, I do me. But if you really want to learn something you'll read this through and make up your mind after researching instead of believing what a site tells you. I was also a muslim two years ago, the difference between me and you is I researched everything I read, I didn't believe everything that worked in my favor and supported Islam, that's how I ended up as an atheist. I encourage you do the same.
Insha'allah I will never leave Allah's path of guidance. Islam is true teachings and worship of the Only true God alone which all Prophets pbut and their true followers worshiped as well. I fear Allah's wrath and torment and beg and pray for His mercy and reward. I'm sorry to hear u left Islam. But as u said u do u and I do me.
July 13, 2016 at 10:45 pm (This post was last modified: July 13, 2016 at 10:48 pm by WinterHold.)
There are no miracles with Mohammed; actually it was a topic of controversy between him & the Heathens of Mecca; they demanded "signs" and "miracles"; and the reply came decisive in the Quran:
( Sura 6 Verse 35 ) And if their evasion is difficult for you, then if you are able to seek a tunnel into the earth or a stairway into the sky to bring them a sign, [then do so]. But if Allah had willed, He would have united them upon guidance. So never be of the ignorant.
The Quran should be enough:
( Sura 29 Verse 50 ) But they say, "Why are not signs sent down to him from his Lord?" Say, "The signs are only with Allah, and I am only a clear warner." ( 51 ) And is it not sufficient for them that We revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Indeed in that is a mercy and reminder for a people who believe.
It's clear that Mohammed had no signs/miracles with him.
Another verse asserts the opinion:
( Sura 6 Verse 37 ) And they say, "Why has a sign not been sent down to him from his Lord?" Say, "Indeed, Allah is Able to send down a sign, but most of them do not know.
Ironically enough, another verse asserts this more and more:
( Sura 6 Verse 109 ) And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that if a sign came to them, they would surely believe in it. Say, "The signs are only with Allah." And what will make you perceive that even if a sign came, they would not believe.
Moreover, to prove this opinion more and more:
( Sura 17 Verse 59 ) And nothing has prevented Us from sending signs except that the former peoples denied them. And We gave Thamud the she-camel as a visible sign, but they wronged her. And We send not the signs except as a warning.
So excuse me, but what signs are you discussing, exactly?
Sheed: the Sunni faith is masking the Quran, via advocating that Mohammed did come with miracles -such as cracking the moon (#note: the cracking of the moon in the Quran is only mentioned in this verse):
(Sura 54 Verse 1) The hour has came close and the moon was cracked
?Any mention of Mohammed cracking it? we already know in 2016, that the moon might be a part of earth that cracked and went astray to have its own orbit early in the history of the universe; a mere scary proof on how infinite and limitless and eternal God is; to him judgement day is near since....million of years..before we're even created..
Though Sheed; Sunna comes in to wreck your whole reasoning, and dictates that you -probably unintentionally- to ignore clear Quranic verses to take Hadiths, that contradict every word God said in his book.
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