Times up Hillary part 2

[Cecelia]

Turn off Fox News, it's cutting off oxygen to your brain.

Apparently you haven't seen the latest round of leaked e-mails - about 20,000 new e-mails. You don't need to watch Fox News to know Hilary won by cheating. The DNC wants Donald Trump to be president. Young people are upset they had the election stolen from them.

dyresand  said they are  going to vote for Jill Stein on multiple occasions. That's not the sort of person who watches Fox News. Maybe my positive rep for you was premature because that's such an uninformed opinion, and is the sort of dismissive statement that will get even more people not go #JillnotHill.

Anyone who brings up Benghazi at this point is likely watching Fox News.  Especially since most Republicans I know don't even bring it up anymore (probably because they spent 2 years and 7 million dollars trying to prove Hillary was at fault, and still weren't able to do so).  Dyresand has shown in the past that he'll listen to anything so long as it's anti-hillary (including far right-wing website WND). 

The leaked Emails are DNC emails, not Hillary Emails.  And those emails aren't evidence of cheating, they're evidence of Bias.  Bias by the Democratic National Convention, not by Hillary (who would obviously have bias for herself, just as Bernie would have bias for himself).  There's a difference between Bias and Cheating.  And while it's disappointing that the DNC showed bias, that's a symptom of our two party system.  And it's not the fault of HIllary that the DNC showed bias (contrary to what some people like to believe).  The RNC showed equal amounts of bias (and you don't need leaked e-mails to discover that).  Our two party system has given too much control over our election system.  This isn't a problem that's going to be easy to solve.  We've given a lot of control to political parties.  People need to get involved with the political process if they want it to change.  They can't just expect to vote for a third party candidate, and say "I'm dissatisfied."  It takes a whole lot more than that.  They need to run for office, they need to push for reform, they need to CALL their representatives (Call, not e-mail.).  They have to get involved.  Make their voice heard somewhere other than the internet.  The problem is, most people won't do that.  It takes a Bernie Sanders or an Elizabeth Warren to get them involved, and it shouldn't.  Everyone should be invested in the political process without an exciting candidate up there.  Instead of focusing on 'our guy lost!" they need to focus on getting their political party to shift their agenda toward their political beliefs (which is why Bernie probably ran in the first place.  He wanted to shift Hillary left, and I think he's in part accomplished that).  We'll see just how well he's accomplished it when it comes time to the debate.  I know that most people think it's a bad thing when politicians 'flip flop', but a lot of the time it's just politicians actually listening to their constituents.  Which is a very good thing.  Sometimes it's pandering, and you do have to watch for the differences.  But the shift is what we want.  The ultimate goal should be to take money out of politics, and do away with our two party system.  It's not working, and that frustrates people.  But they still have to get involved if they want it to change.  Truly involved.

On that note, I'd absolutely vote for Jill Stein if she were a viable candidate. I'd vote for her over Hillary in a heartbeat. But she's not a viable candidate. She couldn't even manage half of a percent of the vote last time. And I was one of the people who voted for her. Of course it wouldn't matter in the end if we couldn't get Green Party candidates in the house and senate.