"How do I know God exists?" - the first step to atheism

[Abracadabra]

All I know is that there is perfectly natural ways for this universe to exist, now, stop being the forum idiot and please satisfy me, give me a way to detect those spirits you say.

You are the spirit I'm talking about. If you aren't satisfied with your own experience of existence I can't help you on that one.

You claim the following:

The burden of proof is on you buddy, you are the one that objectively need to show us that 'spirits' exist.

No poet. The burden of proof is entirely on your shoulders.

You're the one who is attempting to suggest that we are something other than the universe experiencing itself. Therefore it's up to you to describe and prove the existence of something other than this universe.

I have no need to prove anything. My observations are self-evident.

You're just confused by western reductionism is all. You have been brainwashed into believing that everything can be treated as being separate from everything else. It's the western reductionist approach to trying to categorize everything into separate phenomenon that has you confused about your true nature.

Where do you think you 'stop' and the rest of the universe begins?

Also, what is it that you believe your are if not the very essence of this universe. Even Einstein showed us that our western reductionist approach of trying to separate matter and energy into two entirely separate things was a false illusion. He even showed us that we do this same thing with our illusions of time.

So what exactly is it that you think you are?

A specific temporary configuration of stardust?

And what are you suggesting is having that experience? The stardust itself?

You can't very well point to a few atoms that make up your brain and say, "They are me! That is what is having this experience."

Atoms can't have an experience. So how could you be a mere clump of atoms having an experience?

Clearly there is something deeper going on. Something far more mystical than the western reductionist approach to physics could ever hope to uncover.

In fat, the western reductionist approach itself totally falls apart at the quantum level in the "individuality' of things breaks down. Scientists are currently hoping beyond hope to resurrect individualism via String Theory. But that's nothing more than a faith-based religion in its own right.

In fact, the very hope of resurrecting individualism is truly nothing more than a hope that the best and most successful theory of science to date (i.e. Quantum Mechanics) will ultimately fail, or be over-ridden by another theory that can lay claim to reductionism beneath the quantum level.

So as ironic as it is, scientists are hoping and praying that their current scientific knowledge will ultimately turn out to be wrong.

The Eastern Mystics are having belly rolls laughing at the silliness of western scientists.

Sure, the reductionist approach paid off in terms of technology, and the Eastern Mystics recognize this. But as a basis for a religion called "Atheism" the scientific method is a complete and utter joke.

Science is far better off remaining the observational method of inquiry rather than trying to become a religion that renounces a concept of 'spirit'.

In truth science doesn't even support a "non-spiritual" view of life at all. That's neither it's purpose of science, nor can the scientific method of inquire ever hope to achieve such a 'goal'.

So who are the forum idiots?

Well, clearly it would be the people who try to hold up science as if science could somehow be used to support a "non-spiritual" view of life.

When anyone does that all they are doing is displaying a huge ignorance of the Eastern Mystical philosophies of life, and pretending that the reductionist approach of scientific inquiry implies that they can separate themselves from the essence of which they are made.

That's ridiculous. When thought about deeply enough it should become vividly apparent that such an approach to a philosophy of reality would be utterly futile and hopeless.

The holistic approach of the Eastern Mystics is truly the only was to make sense of reality.

So Eastern Mysticism wins hands down.

And the scientific reductionist approach to reality (whilst useful in terms of technologies) is totally useless in terms of trying to get at the heart of reality.

If you are made entirely of stardust, and you can have an experience. Then clearly stardust can have an experience too. Yet, everything is made of stardust, even the stars themselves.

If anything our scientific observations have only gone to prove that the Eastern Mystics were right all alone. We are nothing other than this universe experiencing itself.

There simply isn't anything else we could be.

Unless you believe that you can introduce something other than this universe into the picture. But then you would be the one who requires a burden of proof, not me.

I have no burden of proof when I claim that you are this universe. My only 'burden' would be to show that nothing else exists. But until someone else can come up with a theory of something else, then there is nothing for me to refute.

So the burden of proof is entirely on you to renounce my claim that you are this universe.

Good luck!

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I'm simply a romantic who has been in a very bad mood for 30 years and who does not suffer fools.

Gee, that sounds so sad.

Why the bad mood? Has someone convinced you that the universe and life cannot be a 'romantic place'?

I wouldn't take that lying down if I were you.