"How do I know God exists?" - the first step to atheism

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It's all just sub-atomic particles and I'm sorry you cant come to terms with your own mortality and you have to cling to something that makes you feel good like a theist.

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I have no problem with mortality. In fact, to simply cease to exist when my body dies would be about the easiest thing I can imagine. There would be absolutely no responsibility tied to that notion at all. It would certainly not be anything to fear.

My suspicion that there's more to reality than meets the eye is not based on personal desire. It's just the most likely scenario for the truth of reality as far I can see.

Besides, it's crystal clear by your statement that you have fallen hook, line, and sinker, for the western reductionist view of life. You have been convinced that "all that exists" are a bunch of subatomic 'particles' and the forces that act on them.

But that's just a western reductionist view of reality. It's a view that has recently been shown to be false even via the scientific method of investigation. When we get down to the quantum level of reality that artificial reductionist approach fails, and a holistic aspect of nature appears.

The holistic approach to reality is the Eastern Mystical view.

So it's truly ironic how the western scientific reductionistic approach to inquiry has actually ended up proving that the Eastern Mystics were right all along.

The universe is not just a bunch of sub-atomic particles. It's actually vibrations in a ocean of holistic waves. In fact, scientists are jumping on that theory via String Theory as we speak.

So the Eastern Mystical view of the Eastern Mystics has basically been proven to be correct even by the western scientists.

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But yet, you blatantly label Atheists who dont buy into your spiritual bullshit (which reeks of religious undertones) as non-imaginative when I could name you hundreds of Atheists more interesting than you. You're an uninformed little troll putting stuff like that in a sig or claiming it's an ill-defined term when it's pretty simple.

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It is an ill-defined term, and everyone uses it to mean something quite different. That's a given. To be "without a theism" depends entirely upon what 'theism' you are claiming to be without.

So its necessarily a vague term. And as I've already shown even this web site acknowledges that a person may be 'atheist' toward one form of theism, whist simultaneously embracing or being agnostic toward another forum of theism.

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I'm definitely a strong atheist when it comes to Gods like those of Greek and Hebrew mythology, etc.

But you're still a follower in bullshit that they also believe in, spiritualism. And dont spout off a bunch of differences from your views and theres because its the same principle, judgement or a being who judges who gets an afterlife and who do you let in your afterlife? do mushrooms get an afterlife? do snails? flies? rats? Your views have as many holes as religious peoples.

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There is no judgment in the fundamental idea of mysticism. At best there exists a concept of "karma", but all karma means is "action". It has nothing to do with "good" or "bad". It's like the wake of a boat. You make waves, and you ride out the waves that you make. No judgement required.

In fact, Jesus obviously understood this Eastern Mystical concept, as he is said to have taught, "Judge not and ye shall not be judged".

This is because Jesus was most likely a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva, and he fully understood that you are the only judge there is. You are the one who judges things to be 'good' or 'evil'. Thus if you do not pass judgment, then no judgment shall be passed.

You are the one who judges the waves that you make to be 'good waves' or 'bad waves'.

Karma is just the waves that you make coming back to splash all over you.

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But at the same time, I recognize that I am also an Agnostic Spiritualist. In other words, I am open-minded to a possible spiritual essence of reality and proclaim that this cannot be ruled-out based on current human knowledge. (the italicized part of the above defintion of "Strong Atheist" actually permits a Strong Atheist to also be agnostic toward other types of "gods" (or spirituality).

Except Science pretty much can rule out spiritual nonsense. I just told you several times that we have proven away the soul with medical science and everything we know points away from a spirit or some kind of vague spiritual connection you keep trying to shove down our throats.

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I'm not trying to shove anything down anyone's throat. If you don't believe in the holistisic view of reality, then don't believe it.

Science hasn't ruled out much of anything. In fact, scientists are currently hypothesizing there may be 7 more hidden dimensions to the fabric of spacetime than we are currently able to directly detect.

Well, if there truly are 11 dimensions to reality, and we only know of 4 of them (including time as a dimension) right now. Then think about that minute.

That means that we can only directly detect about 40% of the spacetime fabric in which we live, and that 70% of it is completely hidden from us.

So take everything we currently know about the universe today, double it, and that's approximately what we don't yet know about the true nature of the fabric of spacetime.

So how could science claim to have ruled anything out, when they are currently proclaiming to not even be able to detect over 70% of a hidden universe?

And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

Scientists are also proposing parallel universe as the quantum level, as well as multiverses at the macro level. According to the hypotheses of science, scientists no so little about the true nature of reality that simply aren't in a position to rule out much of anything.

The very idea that science has 'ruled out spirit' is nothing more than a street myth, that has no more merit than ancient Hebrew Mythology.

Learn about real science and you'll soon discover that we know very little the true nature of reality and really can't say anything definite about it all all, much less claim to have ruled things out.

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In fact, I personally prefer to refer to that as "Agnostic Spiritualist".

So in my Religions views I list myself as: Gnostic Atheists, Agnostic Spiritualist.

No, you're a weak atheist in my book. You're on the brink of being converted to Raelism or some shit like that.

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I didn't know you wrote a book. Where can I get a copy?

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I claim that certain types of Gods cannot exist (i.e the biblical God, etc.), whilst simultaneously keeping an open mind to other types of spiritual concepts that I personally claim cannot be ruled out by current human knowledge in any field of study, including the sciences.

Yet you believe in a primitive mythology like they did, aka spiritualism.

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Well, I'll grant you that many people may not refer to the Eastern Mystical philosophy as "spirituality". Some people prefer to call it mysticism and refrain from calling it spirituality because they have semantic problems with the term 'spirit' probably stemming from how that concept is used in the Abrahamic religoins.

So I wouldn't argue with you over the semantics of the term.

If you prefer to think of it as mysticism, that's fine with me.

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I personally lean toward the Eastern Mystical view of spirituality as being the most likely candidate for the truth of reality.

Just become a Hindu or Buddhist and get it over with if you think they have the "truth for reality" you're going to take your reality from primitive people over qualified educated scientists. You're a buffooon. Oh, and let me guess, Eastern Astrology is also the correct astrology?...

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The fundamental mystical philosophies of the Eastern Mystics are not dependent upon things such as astrology. But obviously, like with all human cultures those two concepts are often believed simultaneously by a single religious or spiritual group.

This is why I would not recommend jumping on any particular dogma. Try to separate what actually makes sense with things that are obvious superstition. Like I say, the holism of reality has been fleshed out even via the western sciences so that's something that you can depend upon as having a double-foundation.

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So there's no inconsistency at my end at all.

Except ya know, everything you've said. You might as well believe in Krishna, dude.

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I must confess that I haven't read a whole lot about Krishna in particular. As far as I can tell there's probably some parts of those tales that may have been sparked by a real person, whilst other parts are entirely exaggerated superstitions (not unlike what most likely happened with Jesus)

I'm not even sure that I believe that Siddhartha Gautama was an actual person, but even if he was, his tales are probably filled with much superstitions and confusions as well.

You really need to look at the far bigger cultural picture to try to get a sense of what the real philosophers and thinkers were actually attempting to get at.

I also, didn't study eastern mysticism for the purpose of learning a 'new' philosophy. Instead I studied it to see how well it was in harmony with my own life's experience and knowledge. For this reason I was able to take just the parts that make sense, and easily weed out the parts that are most likely superstitions.

I certainly have no dogma to sell to you.

The only thing I can tell you with absolute certainty is that there most certainly do exist spiritual (or mystical philosophies, if you prefer) that not only do not conflict with known scientific knowledge, but that can actually supported by that knowledge.

And that the people who are trying to shove street myths down your throat that science has 'ruled out' all possible concepts of spiritual essence, are the wolves and liars who are misrepresenting what is truly known and understood about the true nature of reality, both in terms of science, and in terms of what is possible in Eastern mystical philosophies.

So yes, it does take a narrow-minded and uncreative person to believe that any and all spiritual essence of reality has been ruled out. That's just a big of a lie as proclaiming to know for certain that Jesus is God. Those are just two different extremist views at opposite ends of the rainbow. One is an ancient myth started by male-chauvinistic Hebrew pig, and the other is an unsupportable street myth that totally misrepresents what is actually known by the modern sciences.

The truth most likely resides in the wisdom of the Eastern Mystics.