RE: Arguments against existence of God.
November 30, 2018 at 10:55 pm
(This post was last modified: November 30, 2018 at 11:00 pm by Cherub786.)
(November 30, 2018 at 2:35 pm)unfogged Wrote:(November 30, 2018 at 1:50 pm)Cherub786 Wrote: Semantics. If you don't believe the universe was created ex nihilo then you believe it wasn't created ex nihilo.
That is simply incorrect.
I can not believe that the number of gumballs in the jar is odd while also not believing it is even. It has to be one or the other but that does not mean I am required to take position that is not supported.
By the same token, it it quite possible to not believe the claim that the universe was created ex-nihilo and also not believe the claim that it wasn't.
If you have evidence that it was, present it.
If you have evidence it wasn't, present that.
Without evidence, neither claim is believable and both claims are rejected pending further investigation.
Fair enough, that's the agnostic position. I want to know the evidence for the claim that the universe was not created ex nihilo, and this is the claim of Mister Agenda.
(November 30, 2018 at 4:46 pm)Rahn127 Wrote:(November 30, 2018 at 1:50 pm)Cherub786 Wrote: Semantics. If you don't believe the universe was created ex nihilo then you believe it wasn't created ex nihilo.
Do you believe ice (snow) is created ex nihilo when the temperature is low enough ?
Where did this ice come from if it wasn't created ?
Our universe is much the same.
It wasn't created. The energy of the universe expanded and matter formed.
I realize this is a very simplistic model but I think it's useful.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old
What happens if you get in a time machine and go back, say, 20 billion years ago.
Is there any energy? There isn't time right? Time came into being 13.8 billion years ago?
Are you saying the universe came from pre-existing energy?
If so, was that pre-existing energy always there, without beginning, or did it have a beginning?
