(December 5, 2018 at 7:57 am)Jehanne Wrote: And as Professor Sean Carroll pointed-out in his debate with William Lane Craig, per Professors Stephen Hawking and James Hartle, asking what came "before" the Big Bang may be like going to the South Pole and asking, "Where's south?" Such may be a meaningless question.
Then what of Tyron's theory that the "vacuum" of space precedes the coming into existence of the universe? Can't have your cake and eat it to!
Quote:On the other hand, the Universe may simply be eternal, without beginning or end, and without an edge, either, an actual infinite in both time and space.
The problem with your side is you can't make up your mind and stick with one theory. Instead we have multiple, conflicting theories about the nature of the universe, whether it is eternal or finite in both time and space. Of course, even your scientists and cosmologists have generally dismissed the idea that the universe is eternal and an actual infinite.
Quote: It seems that you are bothered by the idea of an infinite regress or an actual infinite, but, theism is plagued by these types of paradoxes, also. After all, if God created the Universe, who created God, and what caused God to create the Cosmos? Again, this is a very old debate, and while it may be the case that planets move because there are angels pushing them, it is not necessary to believe such, just as it is not necessary to believe in a Creator that caused the Cosmos to come into being. Maybe the Cosmos just Is.
I repeat, most of your cosmologists tend to agree the universe has a beginning and more are coming to the realization it came from nill.
In order for there not to be an infinite regress, and infinite regress is illogical when actual existence is acknowledged, because actual existence cannot be actualized in an infinite regress...therefore, there must be an uncaused or uncreated that is the cause for all that is extant. So either the universe itself is uncaused and eternal without beginning or something else is. Most of your cosmologists have eliminated the former idea.