(December 5, 2018 at 9:54 am)Cherub786 Wrote:(December 5, 2018 at 9:43 am)unfogged Wrote: The "cause" of the big bang is unknown, and there may be none. You can't extrapolate the laws from within this universe and apply them to something that is completely undefined.
I agree with your last sentence completely.
As for the cause of the big bang or any other model that attempts to explain how the universe began (like Vilenkin's model), there has to be a cause logically.
This is where you have to accept the limitations of theoretical physics and enter the realm of logic and philosophy.
Every effect has a cause. Simple as that.
So you agree that you can't apply the laws that exist within the universe but then you go ahead and apply them anyway. Logic and philosophy are not separate from the laws of physics when you are talking about what is
"Every effect has a cause" and "there has to be a cause logically" are only arguable WITHIN this universe at maybe even then only at the macroscopic level; what you or I may consider "logical" may simply not apply to the creation of universes.
The realm of logic and philosophy is irrelevant where the same logic may not hold and even if it did, it will only get you to possibilities. You still need actual evidence before a conclusion can be reached.
