RE: Prayer?
August 6, 2012 at 12:34 am
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2012 at 12:34 am by Drich.)
(August 5, 2012 at 11:01 pm)Skepsis Wrote: According to your mythology (which I am positive you will tell me I have misinterpreted entirely) the punishment for A&E who were mentally equivalent to a child and more gullible than one was being broken off from God, with all their ancestors punished for their crime.Adam and Eve could potentially be trillions of Years old. (as stated in my 'evolution' thread) fore their isn't a time line mentioned between the end of creation and the fall.
Quote:All this despite God having the foresight and the capacity to change how the events would play out before he even set said events into motion.They were given life so they may choose. why would God change anything if they did what was expected of them?
Quote:Now, when you say "expressed will" do you mean to tell me that our gullible ancestors who we don't even know existed were firmly responsible for their decisions?I am not sure who you are talking about or how it is you know their mental capablity, but Expressed will either means the verbal or written will or law of God. For Adam and Eve it was as simple as the direct word of God "Do not eat from the tree of knoweledge." for Moses it was the 10 commandments, and so on.
Quote:If anyone is to blame in that scenario your God has sole responsibility. Direct responsibility, because he was there. Then he gets pissed that we aren't following his rules and kills everyone before he issues commandments? His lack of information is criminal, but his vindictiveness for rules nobody could have known or reasonably followed is simply disgusting.what are you talking about? Before God issued the commandments He either talked to people directly or through a Phophet.
Quote:Are you implying that Timmy's brother is to blame because a magic snake convinced a gullible woman to eat a piece of fruit?Every single human being on the planet makes the same desision Adam and Eve made when they ate of the tree of knoweledge, every time they sin. everyone is guilty. this isn't about orginal sin, it is about your sin. timmy's sin. my sin.
Is it a formal or informal fallacy to blame one's offspring for a crime committed by the predecessor?
Quote:Free will has no link at all to whether or not disease ought to exist in a world with a kind and loving God at the helm, running the show from above.That is just it God turned the Helm over to us. This is "His Will" that we be allowed to live apart from the known glory of God. In doing so we also live apart from God. This means we live apart from the protection of God and are the primary care takers of this world, not God. If you don't like how it is being run then do not blame God, blame those He left in charge of it.