RE: Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
November 13, 2012 at 5:59 pm
(This post was last modified: November 13, 2012 at 6:02 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm)John V Wrote: The OP specified a Christian viewpoint and made "The Bible, and everything in it, are indefatigable truth and must be accepted without doubt or question as factual" a mandatory given.I am not the OP. Mandatory given...lol.
Quote:No. Neither will those who oppose those alleged opinions.Far less troubling for those who oppose the opinions I'd say. Not that this need be established, mind you, so long as as you're willing to own the opinions in the interim we can have a discussion, but the very moment "godopinesit" comes up that's a full stop.
Quote:I remember the first atheist board I posted at - the now defunct Cygnus' Study. Back then, the atheists understood the idea of "If the Bible is true, then..." arguments, and didn't say "But you can't prove the Bible is true" when they were losing. Sigh...the good old days.Whether or not the bible is true has little to do with my opinions of what is or is not celebrated by it's adherents. If the bible is true, and if the bible is not true don't have the power to change my opinion on some issues...and on some of those issues I disagree with the majority of theists I've spoken to. I find it much more useful to poke at what any given person might -wish- to be true..regardless of whether or not it is. Reminding you, for example, that you cannot demonstrate that this or that portion of the bible (in this case the opinions of a god) is true only serves to highlight the ethereal nature of what is going to follow from that point.
Quote:And to keep driving back, people can get meaningful information on someone's opinions from reading a book, even if they never meet the author.See, we're elaborating. The obvious caveat here is that you cannot demonstrate that the author of the book in question is a god. Who's opinions are we supposed to be talking about? You're assuming what I would have you demonstrate in an effort to justify the assumption itself.
Quote:As noted in last response, that's a given in the OP.As noted in my own post..I am not the OP.
Quote:Yes.So you think your own taste in food is refutable? You don't have a compelling reason to like chocolate? You require your reasons for having specific tastes in food to be something more than subjective?
I asked for clarification...things and this or that didn't help. Maybe you could provide an example since you're having trouble articulating?
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