If Not Hell then what?

[Drich]

Wouldn't you? I can only imagine you worship your god because you find his morals agreeable. The fact that you have to justify his righteousness suggests that you don't disagree with what God says about what is right and what is wrong.

...That Is What Moraltiy IS!!! It is a seperation from God's Absolute unchanging righteousness. Meaning because we can not live up to God's standard of right and wrong we make our own. at first it is slightly different and the longer we stay away from God the worse it gets...

Everyone has a version of Morality apart from the righteousness of God. The only difference between believers and those who hate God is a believer is willing to admit his version of 'righteousness' is a perverse standard good for nothing more than justifying the sins he is willing to live with. Thus prompting him to ask for forgiveness. While the person who hates God tries to use his self righteous standard to make it immoral to worship a god who does not humble himself to the will and morality of the people he has created.

What makes my personal version of righteousness less valid than God's? As far as I can tell, your only answer to this is "it does not agree with God". This is arbitrary and meaningless. What makes his standard of righteousness right?

In this case might makes right. God holds the keys to eternal life and death in His hands and has set forth a standard in which we have to live by or find attonement for.

As far as I can tell, it is because he has the power to destroy everything if he wanted. If I had God's destructive power and the Bible told you to worship me, you would, without question.

You personally? No. My pride and self righteousness/'morality' would have gotten the better of me.

But, I do not claim to be the ultimate arbiter of righteousness, nor do I recognize as valid any being which makes such a claim. And there are a lot of them. Your god is one of many such claimants. None of them impress me.

Why? Because your morality/Self righteousness has told you that no one should have absolute dominion over any other being... Which is one of the defining characteristics of God. (A being with abolute dominion over everyone and everything)

Why should I care what he thinks of my righteousness? His opinion would mean nothing to me.

That I do not dispute, so long as you can live blind, deaf and dumb to everything outside of what this life currently has shown you.

It sounds as if you are describing a state no different from the oblivion most of us expect when we die. As this is a fact many of us have come to accept, why should we care to avert it? Especially when (in my case) the alternative is spending eternity with a being which would disgust me if he really existed? You're trying to sell me a product I really, really do not want. Why bother?

Would you still want this 'oblivion' if it meant 1000 years of Helll fire? 10,000? a Million? Billion? Trillion? 1/2 of eternity? How long would you endure Hellish torment, for this oblivion you currently seek?

Maybe they were absolutely right about you and you decided you did not like this. I have no doubt you will disagree and justify it with Bible verses. I have similarly little doubt that the leaders of the church which evicted you could do precisely the same thing. Which of you is right?

They did not have bible verses, They simply came to me with insistance. When I presented them with bible verses that would have me stand by my wife, and asked them to provide scripture to support their actions, the elders simply said this is how we do things at this church... Then they went on to justify their authority in leadership at the church (constructing an arguement similar to why the pope has power in rome) then they told me to goto a sister congergation who was better 'equiped' to help people like us. that is what I did.