Everything exists

[TruthWorthy]

A proposition is never an argument, as I told you when you first brought it up.

This fact doesn't put a dint in the proposition "God exists" anymore than it puts one in any other proposition.

Get it into your head:

Proposition =/= Argument.

An argument is a series of propositions for which the conclusion is a logical consequence of, or, (as is the case of inductive arguments) the conclusion is logically supported by the series of propositions that precede it.

So a proposition with no supporting propositions is able to operate as a stand alone statement that requires something to disprove it?

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It seems to me that what Truthworthy is trying to express is that he finds it rather tedious when some people barely assert "God exists " as if it's an argument.... like "X is true because it is true", the bare assertion fallacy or something like that?

Correct me if I'm wrong and do say if I'm at all in the ballpark of what you're getting at Truthworthy.

EvF

Exactly. Only I think the assertion is only valid as an argument. As if the statement were made amongst beievers it would instantly contradict their own belief in it. It is because the proposition has an intended audience of nonbelievers that it's so bare.

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Ahhh so you meant, "worldview" or, "epistemic" differences. One of my favorite new words I have learned from these forums, from Arcanus specifically, is the word, "epistemology". It cleared up why people have a hard time understanding each other.

The primary difference between theist and atheist worldviews is that theism accepts "God exists" as a basic belief right along with the belief, "I exist" (cogito ergo sum)and, "The world we perceive is objectively real." While this might not hold true for all theistic worldviews they are true for many. Most people would agree with the basic beliefs that they are real and the world is real.

Rhizo

Yes true. Only my idea of "god exists" being directed to an outside group (nonbelievers) makes this an argumentative proposition. Because this would be considered a missing premise. Ironically, to us nonbelievers the proposition "god exists" is missing premises itself.
The whole thing is self reflexive - like the book of bull they read. It's only true to itself, as far as is possible with so many lines of text.