RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
June 29, 2014 at 6:46 am
(This post was last modified: June 29, 2014 at 6:54 am by Bad Wolf.)
(June 29, 2014 at 1:19 am)ronedee Wrote: Then why comment on them?
Because you brought them up as a distraction. You still have yet to explain what faith actually does and how it actually works.
(June 29, 2014 at 1:19 am)ronedee Wrote: Do you really care?
I care enough to ask the question, your so far refusal to answer is telling.
(June 29, 2014 at 1:19 am)ronedee Wrote: Do you want examples of faith? Or faith in God?
No, like I said before, I want examples of faith working, whatever that means. So i'm guessing all faith does for you is cause miracles, or as i would say, it causes you to see miracles.
(June 29, 2014 at 1:19 am)ronedee Wrote: The ignorance is on your part, not mine.
You don't know what the argument from ignorance logical fallacy is, do you?
You said it was a miracle because it was un explainable. That is an argument from ignorance. You don't get to insert your god because we don't know the answer. The correct answer when you don't know the answer is always: We don't know.
(June 29, 2014 at 1:19 am)ronedee Wrote: So, you've made my point. There is no reason to tell you about Faith.
I'm not following you, you just don't want to describe examples of faith working because you think i'll just reject the immediately?
(June 29, 2014 at 1:19 am)ronedee Wrote: No. I believe it was a VAD, which is only used for operations, not emergencies.
So this VAD.....I'm assuming it didn't appear out of thin air infront of your eyes. See, that is much more worthy of being deemed a miracle than it just being found in a cuboard somewhere just in time.
(June 29, 2014 at 1:19 am)ronedee Wrote: But it's useless, and painful to explain anything to you.
Maybe if you actually did any explaining, you might find it easier.
(June 29, 2014 at 1:19 am)ronedee Wrote: Rythmn... I hope you are seeing why I didn't want to relate any of my experiences here. There is/was no reason.
Mommy mommy! The big bad atheist doesn't believe me! Waaahhhh wahhhhh
(June 29, 2014 at 1:19 am)ronedee Wrote: Again doctor... it wasn't a defrib machine needed.
I don't normally pray for a bunch of overpaid assholes tossing balls around.
And I would've prayed for my mom to NOT have a heart attack "IF" I knew she was going to have one!
Nice deflection again. But you didn't answer. What else is a miracle then? If your standard for miracles is so low, that a life-saving piece of medical equipment was found just in time to save your mother, what else do you see as a miracle? Can you give me examples?
(June 29, 2014 at 1:19 am)ronedee Wrote: Thanks again for all your great responses to my mothers care and well being.
Is that sarcasm I detect?
I'm gunna stop you right there and say I don't care about you or your mother. I have never met you or your mother or anyone who knows you. If I cared about everyone despite not ever meeting them, I would end up blowing my brains out. You may see this as another example of the 'evil atheists' and their despicable ways, but it is exactly the same thing when you see starving kids on the TV. You don't know them, they are a world away, and you don't care.
(June 29, 2014 at 1:40 am)ronedee Wrote: There was no vaporization, or cloud or smoke and thunder! The ER doctor who had said the machine that she needed was on loan, walked up to my family, and said :"the machine is in her room." and assumed, somehow it got back to the hospital and wasn't recorded as such in their inventory log. And also someone put it there who knew she needed it.
That is not a bloody miracle! See the way things work usually with people who believe in miracles is that when an event can't be explained they then call it a miracle. Its a logical fallacy but they still do it. But you, you've taken it to the next level. You are actually ignoring any other possible explanations and jumping straight to miracle. Someone just put the machine in your mothers room! That was it, whether by accident or on purpose, is irrelevant. And it wasn't recorded in the inventory log because the receptionist 'Dave' was too distracted that day to notice it arrival because his golden retriever 'Lucky' had been exhibiting strange behaviours over the past few days and Dave was worried about his health.
See, even that is a better explanation than divine intervention.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech