RE: Christianity and its effect on self-worth
December 31, 2014 at 7:03 pm
(This post was last modified: December 31, 2014 at 7:12 pm by Godscreated.)
(December 31, 2014 at 12:06 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(December 31, 2014 at 5:25 am)Godschild Wrote:
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Quote:Don't try to put words in my mouth, GC.
It's no different than what you do to me, so man up or stop putting words in my mouth, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, a wise saying.
GC Wrote:The information came from some of the most respected institutions in this country, just because it was found on a site you dislike has nothing to do with the validity of the information. But then you would argue with yourself just to say you won. Looks like your fun turned into a puddle of drool.
GC
Quote:This has nothing to do with what I like and dislike, GC. It's a demonstrable fact that conservapedia lies almost constantly, and distorts reality where it can; it has an ideological bias toward extreme conservative christianity. The guy who runs it outright bans anyone who writes from a viewpoint he dislikes; this is a place for what he thinks, not what's real.
Case in point: one of the few links that does work on that article you linked to goes to a study on religion and suicide, which has a conclusions section that, conveniently, conservapedia fails to quote, and there's a reason for that; the conclusions of the study run completely counter to the claim they want to make, that atheism inherently leads to suicide. Here it is: noting that atheists and christians have roughly equal incidences of depression, the study goes on to conclude that the reason atheism has a higher rate of suicide attempts as a result of that is that moral objections to suicide are so often religiously based, and therefore aren't present for atheists.
What the study actually says, GC, is that the difference between atheism and christianity, in this regard, is not a difference in overall mental health, since the two groups have the same level of depression. The difference is fear; the fear religion puts in you of going to hell, of disobeying what god wants. It's the moral objections to suicide, not a lessened desire to actually do it; it's not that christians just don't want to die at the same rate as atheists, it's that they don't want to piss off god. None of this, by the way, is mentioned in the conservapedia article, which is more than happy to tout the results, while ignoring what they mean when it gets in the way.
This is, of course, entirely expected, from anyone who actually takes the time to understand the history and makeup of conservapedia, and most likely unimportant, to those who don't care because what it's saying happens to agree with their agendas.
That info was there for anyone to read, it wasn't hidden, you found it right. That same info is in other studies and on other sites. There i so much back and forth on this issue, atheist say one thing and Christians say another. I found what I consider reliable sources form the quotes of institutions no one should have a problem with, I didn't care what sit it was found on. Actually that's the first time I've visited that site if my memory serves me correctly. I do not like using most sites on the net because of the bias from both sides of any issue and I mean any. You use Quotes from biased sites, yet for you that seems to be okay, double standards have been a signature with you, it's why I do not like to converse with you. Just like this study it shows things that are true about atheist but, instead of considering helping to change things you want to deny it so you want look bad. Know what it's not about looking bad, it's about getting things better.
As for the fear thing, you're expressing an opinion, so here's mine and it's from the perspective of knowing Christians, God teaches us to love life and to respect it and this is why the suicide rate for Christians is lower. When people believe human life is no more valuable than animals and animals are used for food and euthanize animals because they are either suffering or it's not cost effective to keep them alive or kill them for sport and ect. It's no wonder the suicide rate is higher among this group of people, when human life is seen no more valuable than those we kill for various reasons, this is my greatest beef with evolution. Human life has a much greater importance than any animal.
GC
(December 31, 2014 at 10:53 am)abaris Wrote: [quote='Godschild' pid='832149' dateline='1420017942']
The information came from some of the most respected institutions in this country, just because it was found on a site you dislike has nothing to do with the validity of the information. But then you would argue with yourself just to say you won. Looks like your fun turned into a puddle of drool.
GC
Yeah, but they don't link to the actual study, which is supposed to be more than ten years old by the way. You would take info from an outspoken atheist site with the same bag of salt as we are taking conservapedia, a portal that's pretty outspoken about it's agenda.
The only reason I used it was the reputation of the institutions, there were atheist and Christian sites I did not use because of the bias factor, neither had statements from such great institutions.
GC
(December 31, 2014 at 10:56 am)Drich Wrote:(December 30, 2014 at 2:27 pm)Strider Wrote:
When I heard the song amazing grace for the first time I wondered why he thought so poorly of himself, as did the author of your artical. The difference? I did not stop at just the curiosity I had, and my initial conclusion. Every chance I got I'd ask someone about that song and who wrote and and why he was so down. I got the platitude christian answer more than a few times, but then I asked the right person once and he turned me on to a version of this this:
http://www.anointedlinks.com/amazing_grace.html
The dude was a slave trader, and found Christ. His song, his lament was because he saw the contrast between the pain and suffering he caused and the life Christ called him to live. He saw himself as a 'wretch' because by every standard of man and God he was a wretch. But, rather than justify his sins he repented of them.
This thread is a perfect example of why 'moral' men will never know God. They think that their morality/self worth puts them in a position where it is not 'healthy' to repent.
Well stated, I knew the history behind the song and shame on me for not mentioning it, thanks Drich.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
