(January 26, 2015 at 2:35 pm)SteveII Wrote: Your buddies here seem to think that we can gather evidence and theorize what was before the big bang to avoid the God solution. It seems you believe we cannot know anything before T=0.
Nobody needs to "avoid the god solution," because A: god is not the default answer that we need better evidence to prevent being the case, and B: "god did it" is not a solution at all, in that it doesn't tell us how, which is the question science seeks to answer.
Quote:If we cannot know anything, how can you rule out God?
Do you believe in everything that you can't rule out, or are you only in the habit of shifting the burden of proof for concepts that you really really want to be true?
Quote: Thank you for the correction. Do these concepts (sets) exist in all possible universes?
No: without minds to observe and define them, concepts can't exist by definition.
Quote:Does logic exist? Are you saying that a mind has to be there for them to exist?
It's a complicated topic. Basically, conceptual things like logic, numbers, all that, are descriptors of phenomenon in the real world: logical syllogisms accurately describe the behavior of their topics in accordance with physical laws, numbers describe discrete quantities of physical things... they rely on minds to exist. The things they describe do not, however, as those are objectively real; a pair of rocks would still exist even if nobody was around to label them as two rocks.
But none of those things are metaphysical, either. They're physical things, of which those things you labelled as metaphysical are merely how we describe them.
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