The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Redbeard The Pink]

So what you're telling me is that rape and genocide are morally acceptable, so long as Gaud either commands it or does it himself. What horrendously dangerous logic.



In that case, Gaud's morality is completely arbitrary and subjective to his whim, and an objective moral standard STILL does not exist in the Universe, even by your own theology. Furthermore, it means that your Gaud is still a vindictive, judgmental monster who doles out punishments like rape, genocide, and eternal torture for even marginal offenses. If Gaud were a person running for office, would you vote for him? I sure wouldn't. If he were a super hero, would you want his help? I sure wouldn't.


Also, if Gaud has to do things he does not take pleasure in, then he is not all-powerful.

No I did not say that nor was I telling you that I usually say what I mean to say. As you can see from the section that I quoted I was expressing that those verses were the judgement of God. God has no where in the bible said that rape or genocide is morally acceptable nor do those verse you provide prove that God sees them as good. He has actually stated the a murder should die and that a rapist of an engaged woman should also die. God has given humankind a way to live based on His unchanging nature. You have used your own  morals, which you have already confessed are subjective and not based on any absolute, and labeled those verses as a good thing in God's eyes.  Never has God ever explicitly or implicitly stated that He views rape or genocide as good. The bible as a whole shows how bent mankind is on disobeying and rejecting God's commands and ways. There is not a person, except Jesus the second person of the trinity and God incarnate, who was ever fully and totally good. Everyone has sinned everyone has turned from God and you can see it all in the pages of the bible. The book of Judges is an unwavering example of what people do when they do what is right in their own eyes. (jud 21:25). They had God's law but they followed it. 

How does doing things He has no pleasure in doing make him not all-powerful? What does pleasure have to do with power?

Here's what you don't seem to be getting: Gaud repeatedly destroys humans in the Bible, and he commands them to destroy each other. Regardless of whether he wants to or not, that is how your Gaud metes out "justice." That means one of two things:


Either murder, genocide, and rape are morally acceptable punishments so long as Gaud commands them, or Gaud commands humans to take immoral actions to dish out his punishments.


If murder, rape, and genocide are immoral most of the time but moral when Gaud commands it, then Gaud's morality is subjective and not objective.


If murder, rape, and genocide are always immoral, then Gaud essentially commands his people to sin every time they carry out one of these "judgements" over a neighboring people. If Gaud has ever commanded us to be immoral, then he can't be the perfect and absolute source of all morality.


An all-powerful being would never have to do anything it didn't want to. If Gaud is judging us according to this system and commanding these awful punishments, it's either because he wants to or because he has to. If it's because he wants to, then he's an immoral monster who doesn't love us. If it's because he has to, then he is beholden to a set of rules, meaning he's not all-powerful and he's not the absolute source of all morals.