(February 6, 2016 at 10:00 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(February 4, 2016 at 2:36 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: No I did not say that nor was I telling you that I usually say what I mean to say. As you can see from the section that I quoted I was expressing that those verses were the judgement of God. God has no where in the bible said that rape or genocide is morally acceptable nor do those verse you provide prove that God sees them as good. He has actually stated the a murder should die and that a rapist of an engaged woman should also die. God has given humankind a way to live based on His unchanging nature. You have used your own morals, which you have already confessed are subjective and not based on any absolute, and labeled those verses as a good thing in God's eyes. Never has God ever explicitly or implicitly stated that He views rape or genocide as good. The bible as a whole shows how bent mankind is on disobeying and rejecting God's commands and ways. There is not a person, except Jesus the second person of the trinity and God incarnate, who was ever fully and totally good. Everyone has sinned everyone has turned from God and you can see it all in the pages of the bible. The book of Judges is an unwavering example of what people do when they do what is right in their own eyes. (jud 21:25). They had God's law but they followed it.
How does doing things He has no pleasure in doing make him not all-powerful? What does pleasure have to do with power?
Here's what you don't seem to be getting: Gaud repeatedly destroys humans in the Bible, and he commands them to destroy each other. Regardless of whether he wants to or not, that is how your Gaud metes out "justice." That means one of two things:
Either murder, genocide, and rape are morally acceptable punishments so long as Gaud commands them, or Gaud commands humans to take immoral actions to dish out his punishments.
If murder, rape, and genocide are immoral most of the time but moral when Gaud commands it, then Gaud's morality is subjective and not objective.
If murder, rape, and genocide are always immoral, then Gaud essentially commands his people to sin every time they carry out one of these "judgements" over a neighboring people. If Gaud has ever commanded us to be immoral, then he can't be the perfect and absolute source of all morality.
An all-powerful being would never have to do anything it didn't want to. If Gaud is judging us according to this system and commanding these awful punishments, it's either because he wants to or because he has to. If it's because he wants to, then he's an immoral monster who doesn't love us. If it's because he has to, then he is beholden to a set of rules, meaning he's not all-powerful and he's not the absolute source of all morals.
is killing equivalent to murder? when a person is put to death by the justice system because of his/her crimes against humanity is that murder or justice? What is the just punishment for a murderer?
God explicitly says that murder it wrong, rape is wrong therefor genocide is wrong. He also says to that he does treat a person unfairly based on race, sex, class et cetera. God own everything and person and the only reason anyone of use exist it because of His will. He is so merciful and slow to anger He will allow you to speak lies about him and hasn't taken you out. He allowed me to blaspheme his name and has forgiven me.
Also it takes more power and self-control to do what is necessary and right no matter your feelings on the matter. To have all power doesn't mean you use it in every situation. If you have ever observed a wise person who is full of knowledge they are not always letting everyone know how much they know. He set aside what He could do, which would be wiping all human kind out because we are all corrupt in our thinking and actions. In order to redeem people from every nation, language, class, and tongue. So, that people may understand who He is and how wonderful and loving He was to step off his throne. To make himself of no reputation so that He may live a life like ours and die a death that we deserve. God is not evil but one that is both just and merciful. Lies about Him are of no help to the one who rejects Him. They will not aid them when judgement comes but it takes humility to see God for who He truly is. He is both amazing and good and will send his wrath against those who cling to their evil ways.
