I don't quite understand your view of the creation of the universe. Do you believe there was structure then time or that nothing+time created structure and that structure created everything else, with a little random thrown in. If creation isn't random then the opposite is true which makes creation planned or purposeful. So who was planning? This is my proof. The world is not random nor is it made by random means. It has structure and works in a certain way, because there is a purposeful being behind it. This is why I can give you proof. If there is no function behind the earth, as you have stated before, then proof is not possible because there is no way that the world should work. You can't say "that is wrong" and "that is right" about anything. All your evaluations would be arbitrary or just opinions but not definitive, objective, or concrete.
Yet you did say
would you explain how you see this as possible.
You spoke about predictability from chaos. How can you believe that structure could come from chaos (being the total lack of order). There is no order in chaos, so the only thing there could be, would be chaos. This is why I can say that "with chaos you can't assume or predict".
As for justice, science, and love you are borrowing from my worldview. As you are assuming that there is a function to humans and the world. But if there is no function, then there is no proper way for the world to work. Staying within your view point, love (like justice) works because of society yet society is a collection of people. So what I read and understand that you are saying is that love is a reality because people have "conceived" of this idea, for use as a society, to feel a way about something.
To me, if love is just a mental thing then it is as arbitrary as tinker bell. Everyone must believe enough in it and when they don't it ceases to exist. That is not reality. For love to be real/concrete it must function outside of our own "concepts".
Love is a person, Jesus Christ, who laid His life down for those who were His enemies. That is true love because even if no one believed in it, it would not take away the fact that it still happened.
Yet you did say
Quote:While I acknowledge that nature is predictable and that we're able to describe it with natural laws, there is no evidence to support the notion that your Gaud was necessary for that to happen. Quite the contrary, in fact.
would you explain how you see this as possible.
You spoke about predictability from chaos. How can you believe that structure could come from chaos (being the total lack of order). There is no order in chaos, so the only thing there could be, would be chaos. This is why I can say that "with chaos you can't assume or predict".
As for justice, science, and love you are borrowing from my worldview. As you are assuming that there is a function to humans and the world. But if there is no function, then there is no proper way for the world to work. Staying within your view point, love (like justice) works because of society yet society is a collection of people. So what I read and understand that you are saying is that love is a reality because people have "conceived" of this idea, for use as a society, to feel a way about something.
To me, if love is just a mental thing then it is as arbitrary as tinker bell. Everyone must believe enough in it and when they don't it ceases to exist. That is not reality. For love to be real/concrete it must function outside of our own "concepts".
Love is a person, Jesus Christ, who laid His life down for those who were His enemies. That is true love because even if no one believed in it, it would not take away the fact that it still happened.
