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Evil
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RE: Evil
Kingpin: Who cares what God's purpose is? What if his purpose is being a dick? How can we evaluate his purpose without any standard of our own?

Nestor: No worries Smile I've been bouncing what you've said around in my head trying to get a grip at what you're driving at.

You agree that what morality actually is gets discussed a lot and no one can agree exactly what is important within it, and to what extent. To say it is objective is to suggest there is a "right answer". But in what way is it right?

I wonder if you are thinking of objective morality being the final limit of what our human experience will approach. This however still doesn't make it "right". I have no idea what you mean by "right".

If morality is objective, you could somehow measure every interaction in the universe and give it a "morality rating". But what would this mean? How can you rate something until you've said what the standard is? I hold that morality is a judgement of an action, not an objective measurement such as velocity.

You talked before about morality being "what is expected". This requires someone to do the "expecting". Is this a human? If so, why? What about a vastly more intelligent alien, who might expect us to act in a totally different way? Expectation is entirely subjective, even once a vague goal such as "wellbeing is good, harm is bad" has been laid out. And then, wellbeing of what? Humans? Animals? Plants? Rocks? We have no idea what wellbeing means to rocks, if it means anything. But this alien race might do, and so expect a totally different set of actions from us, even with our same goal.

This comes back to knowledge. We may be acting the best way we could be expected to with our knowledge, but it's still not the "most moral" because we lack vital information.

Gonna do that fucking video soon Wink
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Evil - by GenericAthiest - August 17, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Evil - by Aoi Magi - August 17, 2015 at 2:33 pm
RE: Evil - by Longhorn - August 17, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Evil - by Neo-Scholastic - August 17, 2015 at 3:10 pm
RE: Evil - by Longhorn - August 17, 2015 at 3:19 pm
RE: Evil - by GenericAthiest - August 17, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Evil - by Aoi Magi - August 17, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Evil - by GenericAthiest - August 17, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: Evil - by Chad32 - August 17, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: Evil - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 30, 2015 at 3:14 am
RE: Evil - by Neo-Scholastic - August 17, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Evil - by Longhorn - August 17, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Evil - by downbeatplumb - August 30, 2015 at 3:21 am
RE: Evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 30, 2015 at 6:19 am
RE: Evil - by Captain Scarlet - September 16, 2015 at 2:09 pm
RE: Evil - by brewer - August 17, 2015 at 3:55 pm
RE: Evil - by Minimalist - August 17, 2015 at 3:58 pm
RE: Evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 30, 2015 at 6:14 am
RE: Evil - by Aoi Magi - August 18, 2015 at 3:48 am
RE: Evil - by GenericAthiest - August 18, 2015 at 6:11 am
RE: Evil - by ignoramus - August 18, 2015 at 5:16 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 18, 2015 at 7:09 am
RE: Evil - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 30, 2015 at 3:01 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 30, 2015 at 3:16 am
RE: Evil - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 30, 2015 at 3:21 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 30, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: Evil - by downbeatplumb - August 30, 2015 at 3:31 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 30, 2015 at 3:33 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - August 30, 2015 at 3:53 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 30, 2015 at 4:03 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - August 30, 2015 at 4:13 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 30, 2015 at 5:19 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - August 30, 2015 at 7:14 am
RE: Evil - by downbeatplumb - August 30, 2015 at 7:30 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 30, 2015 at 9:17 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - August 30, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 8:20 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 1, 2015 at 6:06 am
RE: Evil - by bennyboy - August 31, 2015 at 11:19 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 11:33 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 6:09 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 1, 2015 at 6:18 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 9, 2015 at 3:02 am
RE: Evil - by Sappho - September 9, 2015 at 9:03 am
RE: Evil - by Catholic_Lady - September 9, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 6:53 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 11, 2015 at 1:25 am
RE: Evil - by ignoramus - September 1, 2015 at 7:25 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 7:53 am
RE: Evil - by Athene - September 9, 2015 at 4:14 pm
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 11, 2015 at 3:08 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 11, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Evil - by Kingpin - September 11, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Evil - by Tartarus Sauce - September 11, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Evil - by Kingpin - September 11, 2015 at 4:03 pm
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 11, 2015 at 4:29 pm
RE: Evil - by Kingpin - September 11, 2015 at 4:40 pm
RE: Evil - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 11, 2015 at 5:22 pm
RE: Evil - by Kingpin - September 14, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Evil - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 14, 2015 at 1:27 pm
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 11, 2015 at 5:25 pm
RE: Evil - by Captain Scarlet - September 15, 2015 at 6:49 am
RE: Evil - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 11, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: Evil - by Tartarus Sauce - September 11, 2015 at 5:17 pm
RE: Evil - by Kingpin - September 11, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Evil - by Tartarus Sauce - September 11, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: Evil - by Kingpin - September 11, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 14, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 14, 2015 at 3:20 pm
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 15, 2015 at 3:46 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 15, 2015 at 6:23 pm
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 16, 2015 at 3:00 am
RE: Evil - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 16, 2015 at 3:45 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 16, 2015 at 4:11 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 16, 2015 at 5:16 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 25, 2015 at 12:57 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 25, 2015 at 5:55 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 25, 2015 at 5:03 pm
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 26, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 30, 2015 at 9:00 pm
RE: Evil - by Reforged - September 30, 2015 at 9:29 pm
RE: Evil - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2015 at 9:30 pm

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