Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: April 28, 2024, 3:45 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Atheist and the Death penalty
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty
(September 6, 2015 at 6:08 pm)Cephus Wrote:
(September 6, 2015 at 4:53 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Argumentum ad populum is still fallacious reasoning.

No one is arguing that more people believing it makes it so, only that it is statistically true.  You apparently don't understand why logical fallacies are logical fallacies.

The last sentence of the quote of yours I posted demonstrates to me that you don't even recognize when you practice them, never mind considering why they are what they are. Clean up your own back-yard, and then we can talk about fallacies. In the meantime, quit practicing them.

(September 6, 2015 at 6:09 pm)Cephus Wrote:
(September 6, 2015 at 4:59 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Wrongful imprisonment can be at least partially repaired ... wrongful killing, not so much.

No amount of money can ever give back years spent wrongfully behind bars.  None.  Do try again.

Except I never said that it could, which is exactly why I wrote "at least partially".

The name of that fallacy, in case you're curious, is the straw-man fallacy.

You'll do better to answer the points that I make, rather than the ones you impute.

(September 6, 2015 at 6:50 pm)IATIA Wrote:
(September 6, 2015 at 4:56 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: So what you're saying is that it doesn't deter the crime, it prevents recidivism. Those are two entirely different things.

Yep.  I do not think there is a true deterrent for anything.  Put your hand in a fire and it burns right now.  Chances are pretty good that one would not do that again.  But then again, they did do it the first time.  And of course the 'crimes of passion' have no deterrent.

There are some people that just need removed from society for the betterment of all.  But the 'trail of evidence' of evidence needs to be more a lot more solid than it is in a lot of cases, even for extensive prison sentences.  When they sit there with a shit eatin' grin and say "hell yeah!", then burn 'em.  But, IMHO, 20-30+ years in prison is a death sentence in itself.  When they come out (even if they were innocent from the get go), they have no job, skills are old, no family most likely, house, car, bank account all gone and the reputation that will keep them from regaining all that.  The biggest problem there is that when any try to get a job, the "have you been convicted of any felonies"" on the job application, makes it almost impossible to get any 'legal' work.

Quite frankly, I think capital sentences should not have any opportunity for release back into society.

(September 6, 2015 at 6:50 pm)IATIA Wrote: BTW - (capital punishment does keep a previous offender from recidivism.  sounds like a deterrent to me.)

Wrong. A deterrent is " A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something."

Dead people cannot be discouraged. Ergo, the death penalty is not a deterrent.

Deterrence happens when the person considers committing a crime, and decides against it based on the consequences. You're using the word wrong, because dead people cannot consider anything at all. The death penalty is a preventative for re-offenses, but it clearly does not deter murder.

Reply



Messages In This Thread
Atheist and the Death penalty - by strawdawg - September 2, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by abaris - September 2, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Alex K - September 2, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Longhorn - September 2, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Longhorn - September 2, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Alex K - September 2, 2015 at 11:00 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 2, 2015 at 3:12 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Alex K - September 4, 2015 at 8:15 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 4, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by abaris - September 4, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 4, 2015 at 8:28 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Ravenshire - September 4, 2015 at 8:31 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 5, 2015 at 2:48 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Ravenshire - September 5, 2015 at 6:05 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Thumpalumpacus - September 6, 2015 at 4:53 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 6, 2015 at 6:08 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Thumpalumpacus - September 6, 2015 at 9:56 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by IATIA - September 6, 2015 at 10:05 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Thumpalumpacus - September 7, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by IATIA - September 7, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by abaris - September 4, 2015 at 8:56 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 5, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Ravenshire - September 5, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 5, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Handprint - September 2, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Alex K - September 2, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Handprint - September 2, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Minimalist - September 2, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 2, 2015 at 11:15 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by strawdawg - September 2, 2015 at 11:24 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Minimalist - September 2, 2015 at 11:52 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Handprint - September 2, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Longhorn - September 2, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Handprint - September 2, 2015 at 11:46 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Longhorn - September 2, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Handprint - September 2, 2015 at 11:50 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Longhorn - September 2, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Handprint - September 2, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Thumpalumpacus - September 2, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cyberman - September 2, 2015 at 11:33 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Bad Wolf - September 2, 2015 at 11:53 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Ravenshire - September 4, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Handprint - September 2, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Longhorn - September 2, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Losty - September 8, 2015 at 8:46 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Ravenshire - September 4, 2015 at 7:58 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Javaman - September 4, 2015 at 8:23 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Handprint - September 5, 2015 at 12:41 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by abaris - September 5, 2015 at 7:18 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Minimalist - September 2, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Longhorn - September 2, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Handprint - September 2, 2015 at 12:13 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Bad Wolf - September 2, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 2, 2015 at 1:16 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Handprint - September 2, 2015 at 1:50 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Thumpalumpacus - September 2, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Minimalist - September 2, 2015 at 12:47 pm
Atheist and the Death penalty - by KUSA - September 2, 2015 at 1:04 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by abaris - September 2, 2015 at 1:06 pm
Atheist and the Death penalty - by KUSA - September 2, 2015 at 1:27 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by strawdawg - September 2, 2015 at 2:34 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Javaman - September 2, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 4, 2015 at 3:59 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Javaman - September 4, 2015 at 7:51 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Catholic_Lady - September 2, 2015 at 10:59 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Minimalist - September 2, 2015 at 11:03 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by strawdawg - September 3, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by rexbeccarox - September 4, 2015 at 4:46 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 4, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Napoléon - September 4, 2015 at 7:56 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by ScepticOrganism - September 4, 2015 at 8:39 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Ravenshire - September 4, 2015 at 10:43 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Redbeard The Pink - September 4, 2015 at 11:15 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 5, 2015 at 12:26 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Redbeard The Pink - September 5, 2015 at 1:35 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 5, 2015 at 2:12 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by ScepticOrganism - September 5, 2015 at 7:15 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Ravenshire - September 5, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 6, 2015 at 12:26 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by thehedglin - September 5, 2015 at 6:27 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by IATIA - September 6, 2015 at 1:35 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 6, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Thumpalumpacus - September 6, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by IATIA - September 6, 2015 at 6:50 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by surreptitious57 - September 6, 2015 at 2:45 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by rexbeccarox - September 6, 2015 at 3:04 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 6, 2015 at 3:40 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 6, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by rexbeccarox - September 6, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 6, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by abaris - September 6, 2015 at 4:37 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 6, 2015 at 6:07 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by rexbeccarox - September 6, 2015 at 6:40 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 6, 2015 at 6:46 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by rexbeccarox - September 6, 2015 at 9:48 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 7, 2015 at 1:09 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 6, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by rexbeccarox - September 6, 2015 at 9:49 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Thumpalumpacus - September 6, 2015 at 4:59 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by thehedglin - September 6, 2015 at 5:06 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Thumpalumpacus - September 6, 2015 at 9:40 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 6, 2015 at 6:09 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by rexbeccarox - September 6, 2015 at 4:03 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by abaris - September 6, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Spooky - September 6, 2015 at 3:13 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Longhorn - September 6, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by thehedglin - September 6, 2015 at 9:53 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Handprint - September 7, 2015 at 1:09 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by rexbeccarox - September 7, 2015 at 1:22 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Thumpalumpacus - September 7, 2015 at 12:29 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 7, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Thumpalumpacus - September 7, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Handprint - September 7, 2015 at 8:58 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 7, 2015 at 2:09 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by abaris - September 7, 2015 at 9:07 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 7, 2015 at 9:13 pm
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 8, 2015 at 2:17 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 8, 2015 at 3:12 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Cephus - September 8, 2015 at 3:23 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Redbeard The Pink - September 8, 2015 at 3:28 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Theory - September 8, 2015 at 3:28 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 8, 2015 at 4:04 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by strawdawg - September 8, 2015 at 8:22 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by Losty - September 8, 2015 at 8:48 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by abaris - September 8, 2015 at 8:49 am
RE: Atheist and the Death penalty - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 8, 2015 at 11:00 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  The bible teaches that there is no immortal soul and that death is the end MIND BLOWN LetThereBeNoGod 4 1755 February 16, 2017 at 11:18 pm
Last Post: Whateverist
  Near death experiences are not biblical and the bible itself debunks them (Proof) LetThereBeNoGod 0 1135 February 16, 2017 at 4:10 pm
Last Post: LetThereBeNoGod
  Closet Atheist Coming Out and Telling Family and Friends You're An Atheist Cholley71 10 7050 September 27, 2016 at 1:01 am
Last Post: Minimalist
  Atheism & the Death Penalty. Jehanne 135 26328 February 2, 2016 at 9:42 am
Last Post: Spooky
  A Non-Religious Person's Meaning in Life and Death AFTT47 17 5009 January 12, 2016 at 12:52 am
Last Post: Whateverist
  Dealing with Death as an Atheist AlternativeArtStyles 82 12573 May 11, 2015 at 3:44 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  A vision of the future and the death of religion Eager Mind 21 5414 January 30, 2015 at 1:55 pm
Last Post: JesusHChrist
  does death scare you and why? dyresand 94 11778 November 2, 2014 at 1:17 pm
Last Post: Mudhammam
  Do you find meaning in suffering and death? If so, what? Mudhammam 9 2357 July 24, 2014 at 8:41 pm
Last Post: Violet
  Atheists, the death penalty and abortion... ideologue08 511 187693 May 30, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Last Post: Colanth



Users browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)