RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 30, 2015 at 11:36 pm
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2015 at 11:36 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.
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(October 30, 2015 at 11:24 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: there is no solid evidence for or against intelligent design or God , some people believe and some people dont believe not everyone has to think the same way right ? i do believe in God and a lot of people who believe in God believe either in creation or intelligent design of evolutionThere is no evidence for, despite the people in the ID movement constantly making (incorrect) suggestions about what sort of complexity we should expect to prove that evolution could not happen by natural means. They have been busted on every one they suggest, so far, and in the end every one of their suggestions was just an argument from ignorance: "We don't know how this particular chemical pathway in the body evolved, so Irreducibly Complex!!" Except then we'd find out how, exactly, that system evolved. They'd just move on to the next gap in knowledge, as if nothing had happened. In short, ID is bankrupt as an idea in the science world. If you had actually read that case I linked you to, Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, you'd already know exactly why. Those people make a lot of noise, but their claims fall apart under scrutiny.
But you didn't read it. You just waved it away like it was nothing. A monumental proof that ID is an invalid idea, and admitted by its top advocate, and on the record under oath. You just didn't even want to look at it, even though you asked for that information, thinking we couldn't provide it. You essentially refused to educate yourself about something you choose to declare publicly. Why? I'm seriously asking, why would you do that? Don't worry, it's rhetorical; I want you to ask and answer it, honestly, to yourself.
Intelligent Design is not required for there to be a God. If God created the laws of physics, deliberately, in such a way that evolution can happen naturally, then evolution is the process of creation, and we just cannot detect God in the process because God made it so that Divine Intervention is unnecessary to the process of creation. That is why I literally know probably a hundred biologists who are Christians. Outright Christians... but every single one of them has the exact same ideas about evolution that I do.
It makes God smaller, much smaller, when you suggest that the only way life could be here is for God to have meddled in the DNA in order to produce biodiversity. What a tiny creator! Made the universe... waited NINE BILLION YEARS for the sun to form, and then the earth... and said, at that point, "You know what? I'm going to play with the organic chemistry on that world, over there on the back edge of that one spiral arm of that one galaxy, the third one away from that boring yellow dwarf star, and instead of letting the universe go on as I originally designed it to be, I think I'll meddle in the puddle and make life on that one world. Yessir, it turns out my original plan wasn't good enough after all. I'll keep slowly meddling in the DNA for another 4 1/2 billion years until I finally get the bipedal intelligent apes who'll pray to me."
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
