RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments?
December 11, 2015 at 11:31 am
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2015 at 11:34 am by athrock.)
(December 10, 2015 at 10:50 am)Cato Wrote:(December 10, 2015 at 10:23 am)SteveII Wrote: If your magic alligator is immaterial, timeless, personal cause of sufficient power to create the entirety of the universe, then you can use the argument. Most people just use the word God.
Are you to have us believe that the creators of Bible stories made the cosmological argument and the most reasonable conclusion Based on all known facts is the content of the Bible? If so , you're being hilariously disingenuous. The best you could ever achieve with this approach is a deist' god, but that is still a conclusion troubled by argument from ignorance. "I don't know; therefore God". Again, you cannot get from here to Jehovah, you can't.
Perhaps it's the other way around? Rather than coming up with the argument first and then writing about a god which they had just argued into existence, maybe they authors had an experience of god and then started reasoning about a being which they experientially KNEW existed. IOW, the arguments for god's existence were the result of their reasoning about what they already knew to be true.
In trying to understand and explain what is known of the natural world, scientists have reasoned their way back to the Big Bang, and that appears to be where things sit at present. In order to understand and explain what they knew of the supernatural world, theologians have reasoned their way back to the existence of a supreme being called god.
It may well be the case that when, after centuries of effort, scientists finally reach the summit of understanding concerning the origins of the universe, they may find a group of theologians who have been sitting there all along.
Quote:The reality is that the Bible is a compilation of stories passed down from ignorants. The cosmological argument and similar others are post hoc arguments that attempt to keep your favorite deity out of the unemployment line like all the others. It's absurd, yet you try to use the same that God is arrived at methodologically; history betrays you.
This merely betrays why you are not a Christian; it does not explain why you are, and should rightly be, an atheist.