(December 11, 2015 at 1:23 pm)Evie Wrote:(December 11, 2015 at 11:42 am)athrock Wrote: To say that something is self-defeating is a positive statement requiring an argument and evidence.
You may be right, of course, but merely asserting it doesn't advance the ball.
Very true, but what I said is within the context of my other posts on this thread.
As I have reiterated over and over: Christianity is completely lacking any evidence regardless of how bad any atheists arguments against it are. At the end of the day Christians can defeat atheists in a debate as much as they like, and atheists can fail to refute the Christian arguments over and over: At the end of the day the onus is still on Christianity to provide evidence, and Christians continue to fail to do so.
That's all I mean by "Christianity is self-defeating." As I have explained over and over on this thread: There's nothing worth refuting because it completely lacks any evidence.,
I'm not saying it's self-defeating as in disproven, I'm saying it's self-defeating as in "I don't have to even get involved refuting Christianity until it actually provides some evidence worth refuting."
And this is where we disagree. There is SOME evidence - even if it is only in the form of philosophical arguments. But there it is nonetheless.