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Why make stupid unsustainable arguments?
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments?
(December 13, 2015 at 1:59 pm)SteveII Wrote:
(December 13, 2015 at 10:03 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: The best answer when you don't know, is "I don't know", making one up is irrational. If you don't know what life on other planets will tell us it impossible to say what is most plausible. Your just plugging god into places we don't have answers (God of the Gaps). Also arguments are not used for finding the most plausible answers, that's called research. Arguments are used to persuade or convince someone about a specific claim or point of view.

No, that is not the best answer to the question. Your scientism is getting in the way. All that science can tell you is that we don't know (and it may be impossible to ever know). It cannot make conclusions as to what it means if X or Y. Luckily philosophy can help us make sense of the world. You are also wrong about the purpose of logical arguments. They help us make sense of facts and other inputs and ensure our conclusions are sound.

Yes, the best answer when you don't know is "I don't know", can't really see how using an answer that your not sure is right helps to answer any questions.

Yes science doesn't make shit up, that's why its a reliable method.

Arguments, logical or philosophical, are just a series of statements used to persuade a person or support a specific claim. They are not fact finders, all they can tell you is whether the conclusion is a consequence of the premises. Again the problem with all of these arguments for god is they never prove god.
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Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 8:12 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Burns - December 9, 2015 at 8:34 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 9, 2015 at 8:38 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 8:50 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 9, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 9:37 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 6:49 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 10, 2015 at 12:38 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 9, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 6:21 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 9, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Minimalist - December 9, 2015 at 12:08 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Minimalist - December 9, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Dystopia - December 9, 2015 at 3:24 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Dystopia - December 9, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 7:17 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 9, 2015 at 7:19 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 8:00 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 8:09 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 10, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 9, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 8:06 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 9, 2015 at 8:14 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 10, 2015 at 11:57 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 8:58 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Whateverist - December 10, 2015 at 3:18 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Angrboda - December 9, 2015 at 9:08 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 9:19 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 9:41 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 10:08 pm
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RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 10:48 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 10:54 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 11:56 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 10, 2015 at 10:23 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 10, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 10, 2015 at 10:50 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 10, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 10, 2015 at 9:30 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 10:09 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 11:31 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 11, 2015 at 12:11 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 11, 2015 at 1:32 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 1:44 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 10, 2015 at 8:51 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 10, 2015 at 10:06 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 10, 2015 at 10:38 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 10, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 11, 2015 at 10:23 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 11:29 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 11, 2015 at 9:30 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 10:15 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 11, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 10, 2015 at 11:39 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 9, 2015 at 7:17 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 6:31 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 7:21 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 7:41 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 9, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Crossless1 - December 9, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 7:37 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 7:46 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 9, 2015 at 7:11 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 7:53 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 7:59 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 9, 2015 at 7:49 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 7:51 pm
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RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 9, 2015 at 8:17 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 8:53 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 10:04 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Whateverist - December 10, 2015 at 3:24 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Crossless1 - December 9, 2015 at 9:08 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 9:34 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 9:43 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Minimalist - December 9, 2015 at 9:57 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 10:31 pm
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RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 11:03 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 10:48 pm
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RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 10:54 pm
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RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by KevinM1 - December 10, 2015 at 12:04 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 10, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Angrboda - December 10, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by KevinM1 - December 11, 2015 at 7:04 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 7:28 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by KevinM1 - December 11, 2015 at 8:41 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 13, 2015 at 9:25 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 13, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 13, 2015 at 1:59 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Whateverist - December 13, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 13, 2015 at 6:49 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Whateverist - December 13, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 13, 2015 at 6:52 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Edwardo Piet - December 10, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by RobbyPants - December 10, 2015 at 4:39 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 12, 2015 at 4:29 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 12, 2015 at 6:53 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Angrboda - December 12, 2015 at 3:10 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by RobbyPants - December 12, 2015 at 9:34 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 10:19 am
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RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 11:42 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 11, 2015 at 12:17 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 1:28 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Minimalist - December 11, 2015 at 1:49 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 1:53 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 1:34 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 12, 2015 at 12:29 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 12, 2015 at 4:57 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 12, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Minimalist - December 11, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 11, 2015 at 3:54 pm
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RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 12, 2015 at 1:52 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 12, 2015 at 4:59 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 13, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 13, 2015 at 11:50 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 13, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Whateverist - December 13, 2015 at 2:12 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 13, 2015 at 7:13 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Whateverist - December 13, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 12, 2015 at 5:11 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 13, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Minimalist - December 13, 2015 at 1:40 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 13, 2015 at 8:15 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 13, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 14, 2015 at 12:43 am
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