RE: If you were ever a theist...
January 7, 2016 at 2:31 am
(This post was last modified: January 7, 2016 at 2:35 am by God of Mr. Hanky.)
(January 6, 2016 at 6:49 pm)*Deidre* Wrote:(January 6, 2016 at 4:23 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: I have wondered of this too, and you can't really say that the experiences accumulated by the world's scientist's aren't more varied, and often more intense than for people who spend their time in churches.
Do you think you can be a little more specific about this "experience" which you (and so many others) refer to?
Hello, and sorry, it was busy @ work today, so didn't have a chance to reply sooner.
I would say that what led me back to Christianity, was an experience with what I'd consider to be a holy spirit. As bizarre as that might sound, I can't explain away what I felt in secular terms. I was not practicing any faith at the time, had grown indifferent to God and the idea of a person named Jesus even existing, wasn't attending church, reading the Bible...nothing. I had explored different religions last year and came to the 'conclusion' that atheism/agnosticism was where I was going to reside. And there were a few more experiences after the initial one, that led me to think that maybe...just maybe...there is more to this life than meets our eyes, ears, and everyday senses. Others could explain it away perhaps as coincidences, but I had a witness for one of the occurrences, and even he tried to explain it away, but had a hard time because it really didn't make logical sense. (he is a believer, but didn't really want to believe that it could be something other than a 'normal' explanation) Maybe we just have a hard time believing that a deity exists...Idk. But, it brought me back to believing again, and my faith is not wrapped up in do's and don'ts and rules and rituals, and reciting the Bible. I feel like my faith is real, now. It's personal for me, which is what is different. That's the best way I can explain it to you.
Thank you for taking the time to try and answer my question.
I guess you know that if it can't be described in logical terms, then it cannot be discussed logically, and that's fine. But if you had a surge of seretonin and suddenly felt a higher awareness and maybe the presence of something beyond yourself, such an experience may not mean exactly what your conclusion was. I know you're aware of this argument already, although you may not fully comprehend how important it is: your initial religion isn't simple read/write memory when it is taught to you as an infant, this is hard-coded stuff, and with your family still there of course it will mean more to you than other group ideas.
On our everyday senses, in fact there is more to them, which is why we develop technology to enhance them and study what is available from which inferences can be drawn. There will always be more to life than what we can see, hear, and touch because we cannot be everywhere, we cannot observe everything at the same time, and we may never, ever be capable of observing everything. But what this means to me is "We don't know", it's not a valid precursor to a conclusion, but instead to more questions.
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