RE: If you were ever a theist...
January 7, 2016 at 9:14 pm
(This post was last modified: January 7, 2016 at 9:40 pm by God of Mr. Hanky.)
(January 7, 2016 at 4:48 pm)MTL Wrote: I don't mind Deism.
What I resent is Religion telling us WHAT to believe ABOUT God,
and telling us to shut out Science to do it.
So,
I raise the point that if there IS a God,
it very well might be that our sophisticated brains, our curiousity, our five senses, Evolution, and Science,
are the tools He gave us to find Him, in the long run;
to illustrate to Theists, that, for all they know,
in their zeal to hold up their fake religious "truth" about God,
they may well be working against the real Truth...and therefore against God.
So then you are a deist, which is fine, except for I don't see the necessity for the preconceived presumptions which deism carries when it approaches the big question. There may be one god, there may be thousands of gods, and we don't know the names nor one single word on the bio on even one of whoever he, she, it, or they are. A real god would necessarily have intelligence, but science reveals only a universe which has been unfolding without any to drive its changes.
So why do you think any intelligent being who is capable of intervening in our lives would care about us, when it is in no way plain to see that he ever has done anything for anybody? Why do you think he would waste 13.5 years waiting for stupid humans to arise and fuck with it all? What was the point in the existence of billions of other species which are no more?
The more you think about it, the more silly the whole idea that there would be any super-being or any intelligence at all involved in our existing the way we are. What you may not be aware of when you say you want to leave open the possibility of one existing all the same is that atheism is not dogmatically nay. On the Dawkins scale of weak to strong (1-7), I admit my infinitesimally small gap down from 7 doesn't leave much of a possibility, but I it still think that's more than the question deserves when theists and desits never fail to fail at providing valid evidence for the assertions they make, and are logically unable to. The problem I see with the full 7 is that I don't believe in doctrines, and the difference between a 6.9999999 atheist and a 7 on an unfalsifiable claim is no doctrine vs. doctrinary. The former is scientific, while the latter is not.
Because I've seen every argument which anyone can make for theism or even deism 1000 times, I will not apologize nor will I answer to charges of atheistic religiosity when I choose not to entertain attempts to show there is a god, and the only reason why I do it here is for the benefit of those who are seeking their freedom from the mental bondage of their religion. So if you (anyone) is reading this and you may have worried there may be an unknown and jealous god out there who you have not been pleasing because you followed the cult of your culture, I hope now you understand why that's really nothing more to worry about than the popular doctrines which you may already know for the crap they are. How could you even possibly address an unknown? It's just unknown, it's existentially unknown. Most importantly, and bleak as this thought may sound, the chances of an existing superbeing in a capacity, willingness, and intention to help bail this world out of it's problems are so close to nonexistent that we really all need to start living as if there will be no such future intervention - we're on our own, and our lives and our children's future is our responsibility.
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