(May 24, 2016 at 8:17 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(May 23, 2016 at 6:09 pm)SteveII Wrote: 3. I don't disagree with you comments on probability. However, I still contend that context and timing have weight and, depending on the circumstances, they can make heretofore unknown naturalistic causes less and less likely until a potential naturalistic cause approaches 0%. (see my example from Matthew 9)
Do you have an example of such a miracle that doesn't come from the bible? We see modern day faith healers superficially exhibiting timing and context and such, yet digging into the actual circumstances, one finds that the appearance is largely deceptive. If you can't rule out deception (or simple mistake), then how does context realistically relate to estimated probability?
Good question. I touched on this in the post above to Redbeard.
Quote:Edited somewhat - Regarding the NT, these were big, purposeful (had context, taught lessons, proved a point), witnessed (many by large groups), and had theological significance (backed up Jesus' claim to be God, means of redemption, . We do not see these types of miracles anymore. This is also a reason I am not going to argue if so and so's brain tumor disappeared as a result of supernatural intervention. These types are not miracles "addressed to the world" but rather personal events that in contrast to the NT events are small, for purposes that are not apparent to the everyone, and only have narrow (perhaps only personal) theological significance.
You asked for an example. I have spoken before about my brother-in-laws brain tumor as a teenager. Was having seizures. Scans found tumor. He was being prepped for brain surgery and they scanned to get the latest mapping for the operation. No tumor. The doctor has no explanation and the family and friends believe it was a miracle (to give further context, my father-in-law was a minister in a local church so there was a lot of people involved and a lot of people who cared). Since my worldview contains the supernatural, the NT explains the context of what we can expect if we pray for healing, and there seems to be no natural causes, I believe I am justified in agreeing with them. Can I say 100%? No.
There are certainly people who cheat and steal and lie for various reasons. If these people use fake miracles to achieve their goal it is because they are taking advantage of the fact people are already prepared to believe in them. I don't think this is an argument against the possibility, just a reason to be extremely cautious of claims.