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Dear Atheists
RE: Dear Atheists
IKR, even Drich can see why that excerpt fails to explain anything to me, lol.  Neverthless, even if I believed that any of it was more than a fairy tale..which I don't...and even if the account presented in that excerpt was accurate with regards to the narrative...which it isn't. (by error of convenient omission)....how would it address the seemingly inexplicable reference to yourself as being a believer in something you -don't- believe in?

So -what- if he was a scapegoat....we don't disagree on that, though I don't think that has anything to do with "dying for his friends".... lol....and again, if it wasn't substitutionary with respect to sin and atonement then in what way is he christ, and...flowing from that, in what way are you christian? In what way is he even sacrificial? Did this death please god somehow? You're describing a story in which a guy got axed because society can be real shitty.....and he decided he'd push them until they did it. That's a fairly common narrative. Again, a principled stand...impressive social protest...but why did he -have- to die, again?

I think that you'll find that the author of that book subscribes to vicarious redemption.....the author was an anglican bishop....he repackages or rebrands substitution, he doesn't challenge or deny it, not even in that passage you quoted. That explicitly lays out how he absorbs into himself the charges made against all of humanity. That is the very definition of the notion of vicarious redemption, of substitution. Let me ask you a question. What happens nxt, after he stands in for all of us, after he absorbs all of our charges? He's executed...yes? What did that do, why is it "for us"?
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Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 4:25 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Foxaèr - November 6, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Minimalist - November 6, 2016 at 4:27 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by abaris - November 6, 2016 at 4:36 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 4:36 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by GUBU - November 9, 2016 at 5:08 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by chimp3 - November 6, 2016 at 4:36 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 4:37 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by chimp3 - November 6, 2016 at 5:07 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by brewer - November 6, 2016 at 5:00 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 5:00 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Alex K - November 6, 2016 at 5:01 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by LastPoet - November 6, 2016 at 5:07 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 5:17 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 5:07 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Whateverist - November 6, 2016 at 5:27 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 5:10 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Alex K - November 6, 2016 at 5:12 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 5:34 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Alex K - November 6, 2016 at 5:40 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by abaris - November 6, 2016 at 6:08 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 6:19 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by abaris - November 6, 2016 at 7:26 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Simon Moon - November 7, 2016 at 10:07 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Valkyrie - November 6, 2016 at 5:15 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Thumpalumpacus - November 6, 2016 at 5:17 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Alex K - November 6, 2016 at 5:23 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Thumpalumpacus - November 6, 2016 at 6:02 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Whateverist - November 6, 2016 at 5:20 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by zebo-the-fat - November 6, 2016 at 5:23 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Alex K - November 6, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 5:48 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 6, 2016 at 6:09 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by abaris - November 6, 2016 at 6:16 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Minimalist - November 6, 2016 at 6:27 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by vorlon13 - November 6, 2016 at 6:29 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by vorlon13 - November 6, 2016 at 6:30 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 6, 2016 at 6:31 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by GOĐ - November 7, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by PETE_ROSE - November 7, 2016 at 9:21 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 7, 2016 at 11:57 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Jesster - November 8, 2016 at 12:07 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 12:43 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Jesster - November 8, 2016 at 1:53 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 2:34 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Jesster - November 8, 2016 at 2:45 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 3:02 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Jesster - November 8, 2016 at 3:13 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Edward John - November 8, 2016 at 2:24 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 3:28 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Simon Moon - November 8, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Simon Moon - November 8, 2016 at 2:44 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Minimalist - November 8, 2016 at 1:08 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by robvalue - November 8, 2016 at 1:30 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 2:58 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Crossless1 - November 8, 2016 at 3:22 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 4:36 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Crossless1 - November 8, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 5:25 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Simon Moon - November 8, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 8, 2016 at 6:09 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Edward John - November 9, 2016 at 12:29 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 9, 2016 at 3:58 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Simon Moon - November 9, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 9, 2016 at 3:21 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by robvalue - November 9, 2016 at 4:08 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Angrboda - November 9, 2016 at 7:00 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Mister Agenda - November 8, 2016 at 2:10 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by AceBoogie - November 8, 2016 at 2:29 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 9, 2016 at 2:06 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by AceBoogie - November 9, 2016 at 5:07 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 9, 2016 at 5:09 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Mister Agenda - November 9, 2016 at 3:31 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Simon Moon - November 9, 2016 at 4:25 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 9, 2016 at 7:02 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2016 at 2:46 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Excited Penguin - November 8, 2016 at 5:35 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Minimalist - November 8, 2016 at 5:48 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Jesster - November 9, 2016 at 2:27 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Minimalist - November 9, 2016 at 4:13 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by robvalue - November 10, 2016 at 7:19 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 10, 2016 at 2:51 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Whateverist - November 10, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 10, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Whateverist - November 10, 2016 at 3:15 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 10, 2016 at 4:54 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 10, 2016 at 4:40 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2016 at 4:59 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 10, 2016 at 6:26 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by chimp3 - November 11, 2016 at 6:19 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Tonus - November 10, 2016 at 10:15 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by robvalue - November 11, 2016 at 5:50 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Sal - November 11, 2016 at 6:38 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by bennyboy - November 11, 2016 at 9:32 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by Mister Agenda - November 11, 2016 at 10:25 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 11, 2016 at 2:30 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Tonus - November 11, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 11, 2016 at 2:45 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Tonus - November 11, 2016 at 5:54 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2016 at 3:32 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 11, 2016 at 3:42 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Drich - November 11, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2016 at 4:34 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 11, 2016 at 5:32 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by Tonus - November 11, 2016 at 5:47 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by ParagonLost - November 11, 2016 at 6:42 pm
RE: Dear Atheists - by GOĐ - December 1, 2016 at 12:49 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by robvalue - November 12, 2016 at 10:45 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by The Grand Nudger - November 12, 2016 at 11:15 am
RE: Dear Atheists - by robvalue - November 12, 2016 at 2:17 pm

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