RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
April 14, 2017 at 9:54 am
(This post was last modified: April 14, 2017 at 10:13 am by emjay.)
(April 14, 2017 at 9:18 am)Brian37 Wrote: Muslim=I like what I was sold.
Jew=I like what I was sold.
Christian=I like what I was sold.
Buddhist=I like what I was sold.
Hindu=I like what I was sold.
Awesome, good for you, but do humanity a favor STOP pretending your club is the source of our species goodness. Nobody has any universal and neutral method to prove these clubs are anything more than human invented clubs.
Skeptics don't hate every religious individual, but do not expect us to blindly swallow your club because you open your mouth and utter something or type it and hit submit. GET IN LINE TAKE A NUMBER. You are NOT the center of the planet and neither is your religion.
I can't tell whether you're raging against me in all of this and it's making me paranoid. For the record, as I said, I'm not a Buddhist... but I do 'like what I was sold' to the extent that I agree with it but just as like what I was sold with any psychological theory or whatever that I agree with. Course I can get pissed if I think it's being misrepresented, but I think you'd be the same if you perceived someone misrepresenting ABBA (I'm afraid
I can't do that, cos they're cool ). Anyway, I don't think it's the source of humanity's goodness... indeed it goes very much against human nature... just a tool to reduce suffering by stepping back from shit... ie stepping back from 'attachment' to things or emotional states like anger. As you can see I'm not that good at it (at least right now), but that varies, and a better Buddhist simply would not care at all what other others thought about them... whether they were misrepresented etc... because that's what non-attachment leads to. So I'm not trying to sell it to you, just responding to a perceived attack... but at the same time, aware that that is attachment (to anger, pride etc) and therefore something I should let go for my own good... it's just harder sometimes than others, and I'm more self-aware/mindful sometimes than others.
(April 14, 2017 at 9:44 am)Little Rik Wrote:(April 14, 2017 at 9:14 am)emjay Wrote: Do you picture God as being perfectly rational then (ie non-emotional)? Or do you picture God as being like a Buddha in perpetual meditation... at total peace and free from all attachment? To be clear I was referring to the Christian religion when I said what you highlighted. You seem to defend all versions of God, regardless of religion... do you see them as one and the same? Because if you do mean something like the second, then the Christian God offers nothing towards that; just a bunch of orders but no guidance as to how to carry it out... 'love your enemy' yet throughout history they go and kill all their enemies. At least with Buddhism and suchlike there is clear and logical guidance on how to achieve the peace of non-attachment. So I can't see how you can see them as the same?
I do not follow religions.
I instead follow logic.
We do not know who wrote the Bible.
Certainly not the Christian that came much later.
I am not an expert in Bible so I can not say whether what is written in the Bible is all truth all rubbish or some is true and some is rubbish in any case I take what make sense as good and what doesn't as bad.
That sentence that say.........Man created in God's image.......make a lot of sense that is why I explained to you my point.
Thanks for your answer. I understand what you're saying.