Yeah. No place in the existence question so its just like you hoping you're not wrong?
I guess the thing is - I want whatever's true to be true on this matter. If there is no God then I don't want to believe there is. If there IS a God then I do want to believe there is. I'm only really interested in the existence question.
I am almost certain God doesn't exist but I don't hope I'm right or wrong. I don't wish there is a God and I don't hope that I'm right and that there isn't.
I just think that I'm almost certainly right because I think God almost certainly doesn't exist. I don't have to 'KNOW'. I don't hope either way. Its just an existence question for me.
I wonder what triggers the hoping for you? If it has no place in the existence question I wonder why you hope when it doesn't change anything. I've hoped things in the past but that's because I thought it would change the matter. I don't really need to hope now. I fear things if I'm afraid but I don't hope things if I already have a belief stance.
If I believe something is so then I don't need to hope it is or isn't. If I believe something isn't so then I also don't need to hope it is or isn't.
It seems to me that hope is basically doubt disguised as something more positive. For examplel; if you don't doubt something is going to happen you don't have to 'hope' its going to - or not going to - happen. Because if you don't doubt it you either believe it or you don't. Why would you hope?
So I think its just doubt. So its a thing that sways back and forth really quickly. Although overall you do believe in God. So the thing is when you strongly do believe in God you don't need to hope do you?
When and if you sometimes don't have faith in God - as you have earlier said, at times you've been an "'atheist'" - why would you hope there is one? If you don't believe in one you wouldn't need to hope because there's no God? Would you?
About hope: I don't hope that terrible things DON'T happen in the world no matter how terrible. Because I know they do! I want them to get better. The thing is of course I do hope they DO get better in future. But I never really think or feel it because I'm more concerned about what really IS happening right now. And I feel much more empathy for what really is going on now. Because hoping won't change anything. But its very important for me to recognize all the horror that goes on. And of course something must be done about all the horrible things that go on. But 'hoping' won't change anything. I'm more concerned about what's going on and that it should stop. Hope doesn't really fit into the equation for me. I just feel for what's going on and want it to get better. I don't hope because I have no idea if it will or won't so there's nothing to doubt. And if I did think it was or wasn't going to get better then I'd have a belief so I wouldn't need to doubt then either.
So I feel deeply for the world at present and something must be done about some of the things that go on. But hope is a pointless emotion with no real life for me. And it doesn't change anything. I'm more concerned about the present than 'hoping' about the future when 'hoping' doesn't change anything.
So I understand that you don't mean to hope. And everyone hope's from time to time. And I don't think it fits into the existence question as you agree.
I still just wonder why you hope? I think you must believe something that triggers the 'hope' perhaps? You cannot feel something emotionally without believing it first can you? If you believe life is good then it feels good. If you believe life is bad then it feels bad. What you believe is bad you feel is bad - emotionally - right?
What do you think? Sorry for going on and on lol
evf
I guess the thing is - I want whatever's true to be true on this matter. If there is no God then I don't want to believe there is. If there IS a God then I do want to believe there is. I'm only really interested in the existence question.
I am almost certain God doesn't exist but I don't hope I'm right or wrong. I don't wish there is a God and I don't hope that I'm right and that there isn't.
I just think that I'm almost certainly right because I think God almost certainly doesn't exist. I don't have to 'KNOW'. I don't hope either way. Its just an existence question for me.
I wonder what triggers the hoping for you? If it has no place in the existence question I wonder why you hope when it doesn't change anything. I've hoped things in the past but that's because I thought it would change the matter. I don't really need to hope now. I fear things if I'm afraid but I don't hope things if I already have a belief stance.
If I believe something is so then I don't need to hope it is or isn't. If I believe something isn't so then I also don't need to hope it is or isn't.
It seems to me that hope is basically doubt disguised as something more positive. For examplel; if you don't doubt something is going to happen you don't have to 'hope' its going to - or not going to - happen. Because if you don't doubt it you either believe it or you don't. Why would you hope?
So I think its just doubt. So its a thing that sways back and forth really quickly. Although overall you do believe in God. So the thing is when you strongly do believe in God you don't need to hope do you?
When and if you sometimes don't have faith in God - as you have earlier said, at times you've been an "'atheist'" - why would you hope there is one? If you don't believe in one you wouldn't need to hope because there's no God? Would you?
About hope: I don't hope that terrible things DON'T happen in the world no matter how terrible. Because I know they do! I want them to get better. The thing is of course I do hope they DO get better in future. But I never really think or feel it because I'm more concerned about what really IS happening right now. And I feel much more empathy for what really is going on now. Because hoping won't change anything. But its very important for me to recognize all the horror that goes on. And of course something must be done about all the horrible things that go on. But 'hoping' won't change anything. I'm more concerned about what's going on and that it should stop. Hope doesn't really fit into the equation for me. I just feel for what's going on and want it to get better. I don't hope because I have no idea if it will or won't so there's nothing to doubt. And if I did think it was or wasn't going to get better then I'd have a belief so I wouldn't need to doubt then either.
So I feel deeply for the world at present and something must be done about some of the things that go on. But hope is a pointless emotion with no real life for me. And it doesn't change anything. I'm more concerned about the present than 'hoping' about the future when 'hoping' doesn't change anything.
So I understand that you don't mean to hope. And everyone hope's from time to time. And I don't think it fits into the existence question as you agree.
I still just wonder why you hope? I think you must believe something that triggers the 'hope' perhaps? You cannot feel something emotionally without believing it first can you? If you believe life is good then it feels good. If you believe life is bad then it feels bad. What you believe is bad you feel is bad - emotionally - right?
What do you think? Sorry for going on and on lol
evf
