Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: May 3, 2024, 3:41 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
morality is subjective and people don't have free will
#72
RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
(May 16, 2017 at 10:47 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(May 16, 2017 at 10:38 am)mh.brewer Wrote: I think all arguments for "no free will" are nonsense.

I think all arguments for "free will" are nonsense.

Quote:Of course there are actions that humans will take based on past experience, even evolution. That does not eliminate independent actions not constrained by the past. 

If determinism is true then all actions are determined by prior causes stretching all the way back to the first cause/the big bang/the singularity.

The whole idea of "independent actions" (as in, actions independent from causation) is just hocus pocus.

Quote:The christian definition of omniscient god = only the illusion of free will.

Determinism entails exactly the same thing for exactly the same reasons.

Quote:This is one of the incompatible parts of the fantasy that christians refuse to admit.

And all philosophical libertarians also refuse to admit.

Quote:I expect we will see some tap dancing soon.

I've already seen you tap dancing when you speak of our "independent actions" being independent from causation. We're human, not magic.

Quote: It should take the form of, we get to make our own definitions, rationalizations and inconsistencies, it's our fantasy.

That's exactly what compatabilists do with free will, too. They attempt to avoid the classic problem of free will by redefining the terms rather than addressing the question.

Sam Harris is right: Compatabilism resembles theology.

Isn't this your masturbation time?
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will - by brewer - May 16, 2017 at 10:50 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Stuff you have done (that most people haven' t) onlinebiker 54 4200 October 4, 2022 at 2:57 pm
Last Post: The Valkyrie
  Should poor people have kids? BrokenQuill92 78 5538 November 29, 2019 at 11:59 pm
Last Post: BrokenQuill92
  Not another morality post!! Mechaghostman2 5 761 February 18, 2019 at 11:53 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Do you have friends who don’t share your political views? Losty 13 1812 November 19, 2018 at 12:00 am
Last Post: GrandizerII
  Why is there people who bother people for no reason? Macoleco 6 1015 October 2, 2018 at 6:51 am
Last Post: Cod
  Cordless headphones, I don't have the words... Gawdzilla Sama 9 1544 July 9, 2018 at 5:44 pm
Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
  Dreaming is free,.....and evidence free... Brian37 6 1012 October 2, 2017 at 4:29 am
Last Post: ignoramus
  How Long Does Someone Have to be Dead Before People stop Referring to them as Late? Rhondazvous 10 3095 May 18, 2017 at 11:58 am
Last Post: vorlon13
  Have our lizard people overlords gotten lazy, or arrogant? CapnAwesome 5 1319 March 19, 2017 at 1:19 pm
Last Post: downbeatplumb
  Real world example of "I don't even know what I don't even know" ErGingerbreadMandude 24 3939 January 25, 2017 at 12:34 pm
Last Post: KUSA



Users browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)