(August 4, 2017 at 11:50 am)mh.brewer Wrote:(August 4, 2017 at 9:47 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Can your computer alter you?
How can it?
A physical science that deal with matter is miles and miles below the human consciousness therefore can not alter it.
All physical science can do is to understand how the brain works but to understand the consciousness is a total different story.
Nope, I'm right right right. Test it yourself. Go a week without water or food. Ingest a large amount of alcohol. Give yourself repeated concussions. Run your car in a closed garage. All physical (science) things that can effect consciousness and do have an explanation in physical science.
Maybe you don't have the ability to grasp the complete meaning of consciousness.
Rik, bonus points if you perform all of mh.brewer's suggested tests in the same week. That would be fun.
Seriously, though, Rik is impervious to these arguments because he seems to think of consciousness as some sort of psychic substratum, independent of the actual contents of conscious experience. It's bullshit, of course, but it's his get-out-of-thinking-free card whenever he is challenged to address the myriad and well known ways that consciousness is affected by physical change.
Have to cling to that dogma at all costs!