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An alternative to atheist thought
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought
(September 22, 2017 at 6:09 pm)BlindedWantsToSee Wrote:
(September 20, 2017 at 1:17 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Hi. Are you perhaps going through a rough period in life?

... But I can tell your theory (or concept whichever you prefer) has religious roots, you know, spirits, one god, evil, etc.

You seem to be a kind person.   I'm doing OK in every sense, according to normal standards. Thanks.

I believe my concept is rooted in facts. A spirit is the non-physical portion of a person,  his or her consciousness. That's a fact. Evil is the cause of pain and suffering. We know everybody suffers.  That's a fact. I don't believe in God; however,  there has to be a primordial source in the universe.  You and I have sources:  Our parents.  They had sources,  which each also had a source.  These are all facts.  Let's go back 4 billions years: something produced the earth, and the earth became the source of all life on the planet.  So the earth has a source and is a source also.  Let's go back all the way;  something gave rise to the first source of the material universe:  The Source of all sources.  This is a fact, not religious.  The 1st cause (the one that preceded all of the other causes and effects)  (think of the domino effect) has produced disgusting results,  which we see and experience today. I know to most people it's no problem,  but I don't believe it's right.

You know, it's easy to notice and interact with matter.  Non-material things are more difficult to perceive,  but don't make the mistake of believing  they do not exist.  It would be similar to claiming viruses or bacteria don't exist because we can't see them. I'm not talking about mysticism. There are thousands of cases of brief clinical deaths, where the people that were resuscitated report having experiences outside of their bodies,
This while their brains  and hearts were dead.   This is a fact. Concepts,  ideas,  feelings,  thoughts, awareness,  and the like are non-physical and very important to us.  This is a fact.  Religions lie and blind people.   They seek to control people. Believe me,  I'm not religious.

Thanks for the compliment. A spirit isn't a fact though.

What do you mean "something gave rise to the first source of the material universe"?

In my opinion, the material and energy in the universe has always been there, just changing states and forms. No source (that brings up the whole something out of nothing problem and the source of the source etc). Life on earth is just a part of the material universe changing states. I've read through your chapters again and I guess you just aren't happy with what happens during life on earth, how we need to eat for example (again, just energy conversion, and yes, it can be seen as wrong or evil by our sensitive brains and conscience we developed over the years). Killing yourself just isn't the solution though. But if you're not happy and convinced of the whole life is evil theory, then I can't help further.

Was an interesting read (read it twice!) 

Take care.
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An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 14, 2017 at 8:18 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by brewer - September 14, 2017 at 8:31 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Joods - September 14, 2017 at 8:33 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Athene - September 14, 2017 at 8:34 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by LadyForCamus - September 14, 2017 at 8:34 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by chimp3 - September 14, 2017 at 8:37 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by The Grand Nudger - September 14, 2017 at 8:39 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 14, 2017 at 8:50 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 14, 2017 at 10:13 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Losty - September 14, 2017 at 10:17 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 15, 2017 at 1:10 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Losty - September 15, 2017 at 1:16 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 15, 2017 at 5:02 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astreja - September 15, 2017 at 1:18 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 15, 2017 at 1:20 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astreja - September 15, 2017 at 11:10 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by chimp3 - September 15, 2017 at 5:34 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 15, 2017 at 1:59 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by shadow - September 15, 2017 at 4:21 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Joods - September 16, 2017 at 3:46 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 15, 2017 at 1:42 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 15, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 15, 2017 at 4:16 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 15, 2017 at 4:18 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 15, 2017 at 4:48 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 15, 2017 at 6:46 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 15, 2017 at 7:38 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by ignoramus - September 15, 2017 at 10:38 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Losty - September 14, 2017 at 8:52 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 14, 2017 at 9:09 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by mordant - September 14, 2017 at 9:24 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Crossless2.0 - September 14, 2017 at 9:54 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by KevinM1 - September 14, 2017 at 9:57 pm
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Little lunch - September 14, 2017 at 11:39 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 15, 2017 at 1:12 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Javaman - September 15, 2017 at 2:01 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by ignoramus - September 15, 2017 at 6:00 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Homeless Nutter - September 15, 2017 at 6:29 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by mlmooney89 - September 15, 2017 at 4:58 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by brewer - September 15, 2017 at 7:25 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 15, 2017 at 5:05 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by c172 - September 15, 2017 at 10:49 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Redbeard The Pink - September 15, 2017 at 10:50 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 16, 2017 at 2:25 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 22, 2017 at 12:50 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 22, 2017 at 3:28 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 22, 2017 at 5:58 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 22, 2017 at 7:27 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 25, 2017 at 9:39 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 25, 2017 at 8:18 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 26, 2017 at 8:06 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 26, 2017 at 9:57 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 26, 2017 at 10:29 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 26, 2017 at 3:29 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 26, 2017 at 4:19 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by GUBU - September 27, 2017 at 10:46 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 16, 2017 at 2:22 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by ignoramus - September 16, 2017 at 3:39 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 18, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 20, 2017 at 1:17 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 22, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 22, 2017 at 10:39 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 23, 2017 at 3:03 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 23, 2017 at 7:39 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 24, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 24, 2017 at 3:53 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 23, 2017 at 10:34 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 23, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 23, 2017 at 4:08 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 23, 2017 at 4:52 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by JackRussell - September 23, 2017 at 5:19 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 24, 2017 at 3:13 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Angrboda - September 23, 2017 at 7:11 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by drfuzzy - September 23, 2017 at 3:17 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Brian37 - September 22, 2017 at 1:00 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 22, 2017 at 3:12 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astreja - September 22, 2017 at 3:20 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by LastPoet - September 22, 2017 at 3:28 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 22, 2017 at 6:15 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by JackRussell - September 22, 2017 at 7:10 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by brewer - September 23, 2017 at 4:05 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 23, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 23, 2017 at 7:13 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 24, 2017 at 3:16 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by JackRussell - September 24, 2017 at 3:19 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 24, 2017 at 4:07 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 24, 2017 at 3:19 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 24, 2017 at 3:48 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by JackRussell - September 24, 2017 at 4:12 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by mordant - September 24, 2017 at 6:47 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 25, 2017 at 12:31 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 1:06 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 25, 2017 at 10:54 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 2:18 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by ignoramus - September 25, 2017 at 4:36 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 25, 2017 at 10:18 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 3:46 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Foxaèr - September 25, 2017 at 3:48 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 3:55 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 25, 2017 at 6:13 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 8:53 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 26, 2017 at 7:45 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 26, 2017 at 1:29 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by GUBU - September 26, 2017 at 2:07 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 26, 2017 at 2:35 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 27, 2017 at 10:02 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 28, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by mordant - September 28, 2017 at 9:10 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by JackRussell - September 25, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 26, 2017 at 12:32 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by c172 - September 26, 2017 at 2:19 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 26, 2017 at 2:59 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Mr.wizard - September 27, 2017 at 11:00 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 27, 2017 at 9:52 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Mr.wizard - September 27, 2017 at 9:57 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 27, 2017 at 10:00 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 28, 2017 at 5:08 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2017 at 12:26 pm

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