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Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
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RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
(November 3, 2017 at 7:16 pm)possibletarian Wrote:
(November 3, 2017 at 5:42 pm)Godscreated Wrote: You need to show some proof of your statement, it sounds more like your imagination than what the Bible tells us. What could an atheist possibly know about the will of God?

Well, I don't believe in god, so for me the question is moot. but as theist are you suggesting that an all knowing  (Omniscience) god created mankind not knowing what would happen? You seem at odds with your fellow Christians here.

No the point can't be moot, you made an accusation and need to stand behind it with some sort of proof, I take it this is a dodge though.
I never said that God didn't know what would happen, God is eternal (omnipresent) and has lived through all eternity, He has no beginning and no end and has always known all things. God being eternal means He has existed in all times and places all the time.

Quote: I do know, I have studied the Bible where the answers are, if you haven't seen them that fault belongs to you. The bold by me, this must be something you pulled out of the spiritual hole you live in, an empty hole.
 
possibletarian Wrote:You mean out of the empty hole of the bible ?
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.…
Isaiah 58 8~9

I know the verse quite well and understand it's meaning and the way you used it in your last post made no sense, it wasn't relevant to my post. By the way you posted the wrong verses.

possibletarian Wrote:Christians use it all the time, though many unlike me don't know where it is. it has variations of course. So you do claim to know god's purpose? then maybe you can answer my original question without use the old 'his ways are not our ways' or 'his purpose is unknown' card you can't have it both ways.

Of coarse we do, we understand it's meaning and it's truth. I did not say I knew God's entire purpose and if you would learn to comprehend what you read you would have known this. I didn't use that verse nor insinuate it, you are the one who brought it up completely out of context of the discussion.

Quote:God wants to show all that love is greater than sin and without the continuation of the creation that wouldn't be possible.

possibletarian Wrote:And the net result is the majority of people who have ever lived going to hell to suffer for eternity, that makes no sense at all.

  It makes perfect sense, people like you reject the love God has for you, so hell is the destination for rejection, you choose it and God gives you your choice.

Quote:Again I study the Bible, I'm not like you who goes around spouting what you want to be true.

possibletarian Wrote:Nonsense, I don't believe any of it is true, I'm more interested in why you do

Your not interested in why I believe, if you were you would ask relevant questions instead of criticizing what Christians write. You don't listen you're here to jabber your jaw like the rest of the atheist here.

Quote:I didn't say that we couldn't know some of what God's intentions are

possibletarian Wrote:Hang on didn't you just say you do know god's purpose because you read the bible.. which is it ?

Me hang on, it's you who needs to hang on I think this conversations going to fast for you. Slow down, read and comprehend what is being said to you, please. It gets tiring repeating what's already been plainly said. I stated I know some of what God's plans are, because I'm part of them, also, I take Isaiah 55:8-9. I study the Bible to understand what God will reveal to me.

Quote:I said we can't know it all, you are a typical atheist who has no idea what you are talking about. You think you are smart and logical but you show Christians what you do not know and that is a tremendous amount.

possibletarian Wrote:Yes but that is just the point, I'm not claiming to know, I'm asking if you do, and if you do, why do you.

You've yet to ask a relevant question and you seem to be enjoying making fun of God, beware.

Quote:He is showing His love is greater that sin to all His creation, at the time of judgement no one will have an argument against Him.
Not hardly, God didn't cause the pain and suffering, Adam and Eve got it started and sinful man has continued till this very day.

possibletarian Wrote:That's just the point god knew it would happen to billions of innocents that need not be born, so why carry on ?

You keep saying the same thing and you have received answers yet you will not listen, you continue to ignore what is being said. Let me put it to you this way, it's God's plan not yours, he can let in go as he desires because it is His plan, no one can stop it and no one has the right to criticize His plan because no one can duplicate it, it all belongs to Him, He is eternal and you can't seem to understand what it means that God is eternal. He is the only being who will ever be eternal.
People are not innocent because you say so, so you need to forget this, God says all are guilty of sin and deserve to die. The offenses (sins) are against the Holy and Righteous God who created all things and in that a payment is due, unless you come to know Christ for who He is.

Quote:God has never be dependent on anything nor anyone, He was living an eternity before creation without anyone else anywhere. We know this from the Bible, you would too if you would just read it instead of spouting what you hear others saying.

possibletarian Wrote:Well there was Jesus, the Holy Spirit and myriads of angels hardly no one. But that of course leads to another question, why on earth would god create fallible human beings many of whom he knew would suffer for eternity when what he wanted ultimately was spiritual companionship in heaven ?  And why would god want companionship ? and where does it say god wanted companionship in the bible ?

This is where you show your lack of biblical knowledge and you should at least become familiar with the basics before trying to argue against God and His word.
God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit are all the same God revealed in three persons, yes it's possible for God. The angels were created during the creation week, when we do not know but Bible study reveals this to us. God didn't need any companionship He was totally satisfied with who He is and would have enjoyed eternity without us or the angels. God did not create fallible man, God created the perfect man and woman all others have been conceived through man and woman, it is part of God's plan. I'm not even sure how you got to God needing companionship. Man was created for God to love and to love God, for a relationship with Him so we could know and enjoy the wonders of God.

 
Quote:Those souls were not created yet, they are created at the time of conception.
 
possibletarian Wrote:You seem to be making my point here, not yours

You have no point and what I'm saying is truth to my points.

Quote:The future is yours to live as you want to and with sin in your life you should expect pain and suffering.

possibletarian Wrote:Well i will also suffer with many Christians as a result of famine, wars, natural disasters

I was speaking of personal suffering. God doesn't promise Christians that life will go smooth for us, we will suffer through those things you mentioned the difference is that God will be with Christians to bring them peace, understanding and help. We are to also be there for those who are suffering through all things, unfortunately most atheist despise Christians so much they will not accept our help, kinda' dumb if you ask me.

Quote:Even Christians go through pain and suffering because we are not perfect, we are saved for an eternal life with God.

possibletarian Wrote:Odd that the good bit is unprovable in the life where you have to make choices.
  
 Not sure what you are trying to say in the above. I'll take a stab at it anyway, God will prove himself to those who want to know Him through Christ, it's your choice not God's.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ? - by Godscreated - November 3, 2017 at 9:24 pm

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