RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 6, 2017 at 10:54 am
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2017 at 11:07 am by possibletarian.)
(November 6, 2017 at 6:21 am)alpha male Wrote:(November 5, 2017 at 9:10 pm)possibletarian Wrote: No you don't miss out on anything if you never existed, there is no body/soul there to miss anything
No you are not been punished if you never existed, no body/soul ever existed to be punished.
To say you are been punished or missing out like you are being put to death for something is silly.
It's not as though god had an excuse he had already seen his angels deserting him, (according to the bible) to go on and create people he know would suffer is just nonsense. unless he embodies the perfect selfish being.
Why do you see it as selfish to create other beings and give them eternal happiness?
Well, creating free willed people (if indeed free will is true) who use that free will, to be free willed, then condemning them to eternal torture is insane. This is all about what god wants, not what his (supposedly) beloved free willed people want. It's certainly not about you or your happiness at all. God is more liker a selfish parent who beats his kids if they don't agree on the best football team, but loves the child who supports the same team. You seem more like the child who isn't getting beaten saying 'well they have free will to support the same team, why should my happiness be disrupted because of their choice'.
But lets take your argument and take it to its logical conclusion, lets say the rapture happens tomorrow, what about the people who after that would have turned to god, at first it will only be a few, then thousands, which turn into millions, which turn into trillions. There will be countless people who would otherwise have followed god in your words missing out or being punished.
Concerning the rapture, it's clear from the new testament that they expected it in their life time, been a while now, you would have thought a few lights would come on in a theists head.
(November 6, 2017 at 10:45 am)Drich Wrote:(November 2, 2017 at 9:10 pm)possibletarian Wrote: For me this is simply not a problem, I believe we procreate hopefully we born in a country that allows us freedoms and then enjoy life to the full.to be tested, so the we would know if given the freedom from the knowledge of God what our hearts would choose. To serve God or to serve self.
I have a few questions though for all who believe in original sin, given that sin had entered the world why did god allow more people to be born he could simply have stopped procreation and allowed the generation of sin to die out, just like he barred a generation of Israelites from entering the promised land because of sin.
Question 1
If he had simply stopped reproduction then only those responsible will have suffered, instead of the insanity of being born to abusers, religious nut jobs, along with death disease and suffering then he could simply have started again. We do it it with cattle, animals, even humans if they have a disease that threatens the rest of us or the rest of a heard of cattle, they isolate and often kill the diseased cattle to stop it infecting others.
I'm not asking why god allows suffering, but rather why he allowed people to be born who had not even existed before procreation to enter a world of suffering?
Quote:Question 2In God's house there are many mansions/dwelling places. I would say till those spaces are filled.
If there is some kind of argument that there has to be a number god has to reach, then where are these spirits/souls before they are born into human bodies ? Do you perhaps believe in some kind of re-incarnation, or souls waiting for an incarnation ?
These really are questions for any theist, contributions though from anyone are welcome.
Why test, when you supposedly created them and knew them at birth. In your scenario it seems as if god does not know who and who will not come to him. Why not for instance only allow those to be born who will gain eternal life. God according to the bible can raise people for a purpose (they supposedly still have free will) so it is possible for a god to do.
Being tested so that we know is just silly, we can still have free will and choose god if only those who will be saved are allowed to be born.
The only scenario that makes in sense in creation, is that god created some purposely to go to hell for eternity, if he pre-knew then that was his purpose.
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'