RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 6, 2017 at 11:23 am
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2017 at 11:26 am by possibletarian.)
(November 6, 2017 at 11:08 am)alpha male Wrote: No it isn't. Expecting equal treatment of all people regardless of their use of free will is insane.
But torturing them for eternity is insane.
Quote:If that were the case, it's not problematic seeing as God is the creator.
Well for me this is all hypothetical more of an insight into just how far people are wiling to go once they believe.
Quote:However, since people who want to be with god get that, and people who don't want to be with him aren't with him, it's not all about what god wants.
And regarding "(supposedly) beloved" - as I noted in another recent thread, the Bible says that god doesn't consider himself the father of all. It says he endures such people with longsuffering. Not everyone is supposedly beloved of god.
So 'for god so loved the world' and ' desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth' is actually a little less clear ?
for a god who loves the world and desires everyone to come to the knowledge of the truth he is acting very oddly. He is responsible for all creation and everything that happens within it, after all we are all his creation, and therefore his responsibility.
Quote:What about them? God as creator has the right to make the cutoff wherever he wants.
Well if that were true he could have cut off pro creation as soon as sin occurred, you can't argue a point for yourself, then say 'so what' to the same argument for other believers without resorting to the good old 'his ways are not our ways' get out of jail free card.
(November 6, 2017 at 11:11 am)alpha male Wrote:(November 6, 2017 at 10:54 am)possibletarian Wrote: Why test, when you supposedly created them and knew them at birth. In your scenario it seems as if god does not know who and who will not come to him. Why not for instance only allow those to be born who will gain eternal life. God according to the bible can raise people for a purpose (they supposedly still have free will) so it is possible for a god to do.
Read Romans 9. The saved know God more fully because of the suffering and evil in the creation, and therefore have a deeper relationship with him.
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Yes the writer had realised at this time that Jesus perhaps was not returning soon not willing to admit perhaps they had been had, began to make excuses, a quick read of the new testament will quickly show you how the churches of the time had already began to fall apart.
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'