RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 6, 2017 at 1:39 pm
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2017 at 1:41 pm by John V.)
(November 6, 2017 at 1:23 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Seriously ? you don't think that torturing people that you are responsible for creating in the first place is not insane ?
No. You previously allowed free will, but now you're attempting to shift the fault from people's free choices back to God.
Quote:I would like to say I'm surprised, but given that Christians are dedicated to believing a book written many years ago that thinks it's okay to stone people for trivial offences, and stoning their own children for disobeying them then maybe I'm being naive.
Or ignorant. For instance, did you know that the Mosaic law which you reference was offered by God to Israel, and the freely accepted it?
Quote:Well exactly, don't you think he could have done a much better job if that is his desire, for instance only allowing those who will believe to be born,
Then those will not be the same people, and as noted with Romans 9, they won't get the same knowledge of God.
Quote:or at the point it became obvious that things were going south to have stopped procreation ?
And again, that's rewarding enemies at the expense of friends, which makes no sense.
Quote:Dealing with is not really what happens, you don't deal with something that was your plan from the start, you simply execute your plan, there is no justice involved in doing what you planned to do anyway.
Either way he's handling his responsibilities, which was your point.
Quote:The point being it is incompatible with biblical claims such as a desire to see all men saved, when all along his plan was definitely that many more go to hell, even potential future believers.
With free will, God doesn't get all his desires. That's not incompatible, it's a consequence of free will.
Quote:Well no, once you believe something to be true, and this is especially true of religious belief given the consequences you think will happen if you challenge it then no, you cannot question it.
No clue what you're saying here.
(November 6, 2017 at 1:23 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Then what point were you making ?
That there is a purpose for the unsaved, so you can't simply say that God should have just allowed the birth of those who would be saved.