RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 6, 2017 at 1:44 pm
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2017 at 1:46 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(November 2, 2017 at 9:10 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Question 1
If he had simply stopped reproduction then only those responsible will have suffered, instead of the insanity of being born to abusers, religious nut jobs, along with death disease and suffering then he could simply have started again. We do it it with cattle, animals, even humans if they have a disease that threatens the rest of us or the rest of a heard of cattle, they isolate and often kill the diseased cattle to stop it infecting others.
I'm not asking why god allows suffering, but rather why he allowed people to be born who had not even existed before procreation to enter a world of suffering?
My guess would be because He saw that ultimately whatever goodness came from allowing humans to exist would far outweigh the suffering. If this weren't the case, I assume He wouldn't have done it.
Quote:Question 2
If there is some kind of argument that there has to be a number god has to reach, then where are these spirits/souls before they are born into human bodies ? Do you perhaps believe in some kind of re-incarnation, or souls waiting for an incarnation ?
I'm not sure what you are talking about with this "numbers" thing. In my religion, we believe that souls don't exist prior to a person being conceived. They begin existing at that moment. No, I do not believe in reincarnation or souls waiting to be incarnated.
(November 2, 2017 at 10:10 pm)SteveII Wrote:(November 2, 2017 at 9:10 pm)possibletarian Wrote: For me this is simply not a problem, I believe we procreate hopefully we born in a country that allows us freedoms and then enjoy life to the full.
I have a few questions though for all who believe in original sin, given that sin had entered the world why did god allow more people to be born he could simply have stopped procreation and allowed the generation of sin to die out, just like he barred a generation of Israelites from entering the promised land because of sin.
Question 1
If he had simply stopped reproduction then only those responsible will have suffered, instead of the insanity of being born to abusers, religious nut jobs, along with death disease and suffering then he could simply have started again. We do it it with cattle, animals, even humans if they have a disease that threatens the rest of us or the rest of a heard of cattle, they isolate and often kill the diseased cattle to stop it infecting others.
I'm not asking why god allows suffering, but rather why he allowed people to be born who had not even existed before procreation to enter a world of suffering?
Question 2
If there is some kind of argument that there has to be a number god has to reach, then where are these spirits/souls before they are born into human bodies ? Do you perhaps believe in some kind of re-incarnation, or souls waiting for an incarnation ?
These really are questions for any theist, contributions though from anyone are welcome.
It seems implicit in your question 1 that God was surprised by the fall. He was not. His purpose did not change because he always knew it would happen. Why in the world do you imagine that "starting over" would produce different results? Without perfect knowledge, free will will always result in sin eventually.
Regarding question 2, souls don't exist until conception.
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I didn't address the whole starting over thing, but this would be my answer.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh