RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 7, 2017 at 12:51 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2017 at 1:02 pm by Harry Nevis.)
(November 7, 2017 at 7:35 am)alpha male Wrote:How about those who, using their "god-given" talents in logic, reason and evidence, see no validity to the bible stories? That's not hating, ignoring or denying god, it's using the tools that work in every other part of life.(November 6, 2017 at 7:51 pm)possibletarian Wrote: But it isn't free willed people sending anyone to be tortured neither did free willed people create hell, the bottom line is god knew what would happen but went ahead anyway.
Yes, he went ahead knowing that those who love him would get eternal life, and those who hate or ignore him would get judgment and hell. Yet again, foregoing creation due to that knowledge would be favoring the enemies over the friends, which is absurd.
(November 7, 2017 at 9:28 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:Ok, why does he require it?(November 7, 2017 at 9:26 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:(November 6, 2017 at 6:03 pm)SteveII Wrote: With free will?? Yes, he did. You cannot have love or true worship without fee will. Your point would only be persuasive if we could not avoid judgement. We can, so your objection is weak from a logic standpoint.
Quote:Why does god need love or worship?
Who said He "needs" it?
(November 7, 2017 at 7:35 am)alpha male Wrote: Someone who creates people just to be put in a place of torture is simply not compatible with a loving god. These are a perfect example of how religion twists peoples mind from the obvious to the implausible.
It's compatible with a righteous and just god. God is both just and loving. Love does not require one to ignore sin. But, in god's love, he offers salvation which he earned for us himself. If you don't want that salvation, you don't have to take it.
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So, "just" is eternal torture for not being able to make oneself believe something? Different than what we call just.
And his "love" is conditional on being worshipped, and, although he "loves" us, is fine with eternal torture. Again, different from what we call "love".
And "righteous" is whatever he wants to, as that would be the definition of righteous.
How someone can call this creature good, loving and just is beyond reason.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam