RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 7, 2017 at 1:04 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2017 at 1:07 pm by Harry Nevis.)
(November 7, 2017 at 9:57 am)MysticKnight Wrote: From one perspective he doesn't need it and there is no loss if no one ever worshipped him.
From another perspective, he needs to try to get people to worship him because not doing so would contradict foundational morality of his essence and would be injustice on his part.
God is the only one who knew possible beings and their nature and potentials before come to being, he is the only one who can bring them about and give them a worthy goal.
If he didn't create us for himself and for worship, if anything was not created for that goal, God would break foundations of his love and justice, and grace and perception.
So while it's true God doesn't need our worship, he needs to be good more than anything else. Everything including himself would cease to exist if he chose to be evil.
God is not destructive, he is not evil, he chooses to be good, he chooses to create constantly, choosing to be good.
But he needs to do that in one sense out of love. Ofcourse worshipping him doesn't increase him or benefit him in any way from another perspective, so it is our loss if we don't. But there is no being more grieved at the injustice of people than God.
Satan when he held on to himself, withdrew from reason and light, to darkness and ignorance. That is why he seeks to spread chaos, destruction, and loss.
I know you meant what you meant from the right perspective, but I wanted to manifest this other perspective that is important to recall as well.
Making it up as you go along, huh? The twists and turns to justify your choices are dizzying.
(November 7, 2017 at 10:01 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(November 7, 2017 at 9:57 am)MysticKnight Wrote: From one perspective he doesn't need it and there is no loss if no one ever worshipped him.
From another perspective, he needs to try to get people to worship him because not doing so would contradict foundational morality of his essence and would be injustice on his part.
Yes, this is well said. I would agree with this.
"contradict foundational morality of his essence"?! Word salad.
[quote='SteveII' pid='1652575' dateline='1510071720']
That is simply not so. Knowledge of a consequence for disobedience in no way entails you obeyed because of the consequence. That is bad reasoning.
That is simply bullshit. People do this all the time, and many christians will admit to it.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam
