RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 7, 2017 at 2:21 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2017 at 2:23 pm by Harry Nevis.)
(November 7, 2017 at 1:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(November 7, 2017 at 12:51 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: Ok, why does he require it?
Here's what I believe:
God doesn't require it. We have a choice. But if we choose to turn away from Him in the next life, it'll leave us with nothing. Because we will no longer be physical bodies in a physical world with distractions and other things to do and to find fulfillment in. In the next life we are spirit and there is only God as fulfillment (though He is the ultimate and complete fulfillment), so if we reject that fulfillment we will have an extreme sense of emptiness. This emptiness causes extreme suffering, and that's the state of being in Hell.
God does not want that for us because He is inherently and completely good. That is why He wants us to accept Him and allow ourselves to be fulfilled by Him and His goodness and love. I think there are people who, upon dying and seeing God, will be either too horrible or too proud for that. These are the people who will find themselves in the state of being in Hell. It's their rejection of goodness and love, it's not God's punishment.
Here's a good explanation about Hell the way I think it actually is: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/18/arts/h...gewanted=1
"Inherently and completely good"? I think most parents would consider eternally torturing (whether its flames or god's absence, if he's all he's cracked up to be, it would be torture) their kids for disobedience not good. And, if that kid is brought up in an orphanage with only rumors about parents and not knowing they even exist, and the parent shows up to punish them for not doing what they had wanted him to, that would not be considered good, IMO.
Using words like "love", "good" and "just" and applying them to the biblical god makes the way we use them as humans unrecognizable.
(November 7, 2017 at 1:03 pm)SteveII Wrote: Actually this short Q&A addresses the point of why worship compared to just knowledge of God...
https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings...-love-god/
Don't care what this charlatan says.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam