RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 7, 2017 at 5:50 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2017 at 6:29 pm by Simon Moon.)
(November 7, 2017 at 5:05 pm)SteveII Wrote: The evidence that I believe that supports my belief (another opinion) is below:
1. Person of Jesus is compelling.
The fact that Jesus probably existed as a historical person, lends zero evidence for any supernatural claim about him.
After all, Muhammad existed. But I am sure you would not accept the claims that he talked to angels in a cave, or flew to heaven on a winged horse.
Quote:2. The NT describes actual events including the miracles, life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
Just because the NT describes some historical events and people, does not mean it is accurate on any supernatural claims.
Again, the Koran describes real events and people. But I am sure you have no problems dismissing the supernatural claims.
Quote:3. God works in people's lives today--changing people on the inside as well as the occurrence of miracles.
How do you know that these events are a result of god?
I have a good friend that was addicted to drugs, living on the street, perpetrating petty crimes. He walked into a Hindu temple in Los Angeles one day, and claims to have communicated with a Hindu god. He quit drugs that day, and now owns a successful small business and has a great family. Was his experience an example of a Hindu god working in his life?
Quote:4. The natural theology arguments:
a. God is the best explanation why anything at all exists.
b. God is the best explanation of the origin of the universe.
c. God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
d. God is the best explanation of intentional states of consciousness.
e. God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties.
These have natural explanations. Those that don't, are currently unknown.
Making up answers, or using anwers others made up millenia ago, explains nothing.
Seems you are guilty of argument from ignorance here, or argument from personal incredulity. Either way, just because they may not be known at this time, lends zero credence for your claim that god exists.
Quote:Since you cannot 'prove' that any of these are falsely held beliefs, my conclusion (opinion) that God exists is rationale. The amount of evidence meets my personal threshold for proof that God exists.
Your personal threshold for proof, is set too low. You are playing basketball with an 8' rim, then bragging how great of a dunker you are.
None of the same type of 'evidence' you list above, would convince you that any other religion is true. You are guilty of special pleading.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
