Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?

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Given that god could not get wants without creating a world with what you call free will and a sinful world at the same time, we are not talking about someone who happen to come across circumstances beyond their control, but a god who can control everything.

I want to reply to this one point because it illustrates in one sentence that your main objection is founded on bad reasoning. If God created people with free will, then he has by definition, subordinated his ability to control everything. Free will entails a sinful world. Free will entails that God has subordinated control of everything. Your sentence does not make sense.

What is 'free will' and how do you define it and why does it entail a sinful world ?
Was it created by your god in the full knowledge of what it would bring about.. or not ?

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Just because atheist say it's a moot point for them doesn't mean it's a moot point, at best it means you have no interest. That then brings up the question of why are you asking questions of Christians?

Well of course it's moot, when an atheist ask a Christian a question about their particular god, it's always in the hypothetical, so for the atheist it's always a hypothetical answer. Unfortunately the bible does not qualify as either truth or a rational answer.

The Bible contradicts your assessment of God. God says He desires that no man suffer eternal punishment. God created a perfect world and man corrupted it, the perfect world was God's will the corruption was man's will which God allowed to prove love will overcome the most hideous sin.
I have sufficiently answered that question, it's your fault that you do not accept it. 

Of course the bible contradicts an atheists non belief in god, I would have thought this to be obvious, but that does not answer my question at all.
Clearly your god is incapable of matching his wishes to a creation.

Some Christians may use it to explain what they have yet to understand, I use it when it's not something revealed of God and in that case it is an appropriate answer. I have answered all your questions because you have asked none that I wasn't able to answer.

Yes but not every answer is appropriate meaningful, if you want to be understood you have to fulfil both conditions, I believe that you believe you have given a good answer if that helps.

that is the love God has for the lost. You might call that illogical, I say it's completely logical because I know part of God's plan.

Again I study the Bible, I'm not like you who goes around spouting what you want to be true.


I've answer all your questions so I have no idea what you are speaking of. Just like you do not want to accept my answers to some of your questions you do not accept the truth of the scriptures and your non-acceptance in no way negates my answers nor the scriptures.

You're not interested in why I believe, if you were you would ask relevant questions instead of criticizing what Christians write. You don't listen you're here to jabber your jaw like the rest of the atheist here.

No you're not or you wouldn't have referred to some pig. The creation story is valid to many of millions around the world, yet you believe everyone shouldn't find it believable just because you can't. That's not the fault of Christians that fault belongs to you and your lack of faith. I have never done as you say mental gymnastics I do not have to I search for the truth, finding that there are no contradictions in the scriptures and that everything fits well together.

You have the same problem all non believers have, you want to believe what you want out of the Bible instead of believing what the Bible says and then searching to find that what it says is true.

The problem with all the other religions, they have no god. God has said there are no other gods, I am the only real God. Would you please state what question you've asked that hasn't been answered and I'll answer it, but if it's the one i'm thinking of I've already answered it.

I said we can't know it all, you are a typical atheist who has no idea what you are talking about.


You think you are smart and logical but you show Christians what you do not know and that is a tremendous amount.

No you just thought you were a Christian, if you had truly believed in who Christ is you wouldn't change your mind. God has said that those who believe they have the light without me actually have the darkness as their companion.

You've yet to ask a relevant question and you seem to be enjoying making fun of God, beware.



I was referring to questions after your original post, I did find your original posted question relevant, it's why I answered it.
You have not found me using any mental gymnastics and you never will. Just because you can't accept God doesn't mean He is not real, what you state is an opinion and nothing more.
I'm no threat to you and do not pretend to be however God is far different and has the power and right to punish even on this earth.

You are using God's omnis like you accuse Christians of using Isaiah 55:8-9. You can't understand God so you use your interpretation of God based on God's omnis, that is a double standard.

God put them out of the Garden of Eden, for a sin and sin brought the death God told them that would come upon them if they disobeyed. They understood exactly what God had told them that's why they were hiding like children when they do what they know is wrong. Do you even know one of the other reasons God put them out of the Garden?

I'm going to try and explain this again but it is getting old. God did not create Adam and Eve to sin. God created a perfect world and we know that they lived in the Garden for some amount of time by other scriptures. They chose to sin and corrupt the creation and yes God knew this would happen because He was there when it happened even before He created this world. That's why God is eternal. God wanted a relationship with men all down through the ages and to give His love to all men, this was His plan. There was no different scenario, it wouldn't matter who the first man or woman was, the result would have been the same. You as all the other atheist want to believe there could have many different outcomes, no there couldn't have been. God created all the universe and allows it to go on down the only path it would have taken. Hey you do not know but God does, some day you may change your mind and actually come to know Christ as your savior, the choice will be all your's.

God has never been caught by surprise, He can't He is eternal. I've just explained above why the creation went on.

You keep saying the same thing and you have received answers yet you will not listen,

No, you are waiting for only the answer you have already assumed, sorry but I'm giving you the truth and the truth is something that can't be change because it has already been established.


you continue to ignore what is being said. Let me put it to you this way, it's God's plan not yours,

It's been my experience with atheist that they ask questions to get answers to make fun of, few have any interest in what's said nor the truth behind it. I take very little of what atheist say seriously, I've been here long enough to have learned what most are looking for from Christians.

He is eternal and you can't seem to understand what it means that God is eternal. He is the only being who will ever be eternal.

I do not believe you have any idea what eternal is, please give me an explanation of eternal, not a definition.

People are not innocent because you say so, so you need to forget this,

God says all are guilty of sin and deserve to die. The offenses (sins) are against the Holy and Righteous God who created all things and in that a payment is due, unless you come to know Christ for who He is.

You are spiritually dead, there's no chance for you to hear the angels of heaven singing. The other angels have nothing to sing about they are already condemned and have no hope of reconciliation. Since you are making a positive claim about Christ you need to show proof of your claim. 

God has never be dependent on anything nor anyone, He was living an eternity before creation without anyone else anywhere. We know this from the Bible, you would too if you would just read it instead of spouting what you hear others saying.

This is where you show your lack of biblical knowledge and you should at least become familiar with the basics before trying to argue against God and His word.

From now own I expect reasonable questions from the scriptures and not this run around junk you keep throwing out.

God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit are all the same God revealed in three persons, yes it's possible for God.

I know for a fact what I posted above is true, if you do not change you will find out at your death what I already know, by then for you it will be to late.

The angels were created during the creation week, when we do not know but Bible study reveals this to us.

God said before creation there was no one but Him and that He was complete in Himself, in other words He needed no one else. If you want to know where you need to do some Bible study, I'm not here to do your homework for you.

God didn't need any companionship He was totally satisfied with who He is and would have enjoyed eternity without us or the angels. God did not create fallible man, God created the perfect man and woman all others have been conceived through man and woman, it is part of God's plan. I'm not even sure how you got to God needing companionship. Man was created for God to love and to love God, for a relationship with Him so we could know and enjoy the wonders of God.

The purpose is for those who will accept Him as savior and lord. Everyone who has heard of Christ has a chance to make that decision. Just because God knew what everyone would decide doesn't in any way mean He manipulated anyone's choice.
 
The Bible says they were perfect, it says the entire creation was perfect. God doesn't lie actually God can't lie. How many times do you need the same answer to the same question, I believe I stated why quite plainly.

God is the most wonderful being, holy, perfect, righteous and trustworthy to name a few things.  As I explained earlier God desires no one to parish, and in that He didn't plan for anyone to perish. Those who perish will have chosen their own fate. Why is it that I have to repeat all this again and again, what I'm saying want change it's truth from God.

I was speaking of personal suffering. God doesn't promise Christians that life will go smooth for us, we will suffer through those things you mentioned, the difference is that God will be with Christians to bring them peace, understanding and help.

I lumped them in one to save others scrolling down the whole list.
Lets put the cries of god's vengeance and wrath, and my failing to understand anything i or you say to one side a moment, I will accept all your answers if you can prove them to be true, how's that for a deal