(November 7, 2017 at 5:05 pm)SteveII Wrote: A quick reminder of definitions:
Evidence refers to pieces of information or facts that help us establish the truth of something. Proof is a conclusion about the truth of something after analyzing the evidence. Evidence is suggestive of a conclusion. Proof is concrete and conclusive. Proof can have different thresholds. Anywhere from more likely than not (preponderance of the evidence), to beyond a reasonable doubt, to absolute. These are all arrived at by considering evidence.
So, to say that I have no evidence is simply wrong. What you mean is that in your opinion, it is not proof. That's fine, I don't care what your opinion is.
The evidence that I believe that supports my belief (another opinion) is below:
1. Person of Jesus is compelling.
2. The NT describes actual events including the miracles, life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
3. God works in people's lives today--changing people on the inside as well as the occurrence of miracles.
4. The natural theology arguments:
a. God is the best explanation why anything at all exists.
b. God is the best explanation of the origin of the universe.
c. God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
d. God is the best explanation of intentional states of consciousness.
e. God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties.
Since you cannot 'prove' that any of these are falsely held beliefs, my conclusion (opinion) that God exists is rationale. The amount of evidence meets my personal threshold for proof that God exists.
Always with the "atheists say we have no evidence" bullshit. It's been explained to you, but you just ignore it. You have no objective, verifiable evidence that your god exists. And the evidence you keep dragging out is for the popularity of your religion, not the veracity of it.
1. Compelling is not evidence.
2. Wrong
3. BELIEF changes people's lives everyday, not god himself.
4. Best, according to who? Is there a more subjective term than "best"?
You want to believe so badly, you'll take ANYTHING and say it supports it. It's embarrassing.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam
