RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 8, 2017 at 12:50 pm
(This post was last modified: November 8, 2017 at 12:51 pm by possibletarian.)
(November 8, 2017 at 12:35 pm)SteveII Wrote:(November 8, 2017 at 11:54 am)possibletarian Wrote: I asked how do you define free will, not a cut and pastes from WLC. break it down for me in easy to understand english
So let me see if i get this right, if god created free will and then gave that free will to humans in full knowledge it would lead to sin, then would you agree god created man in full knowledge that they had no other option than to sin ?
Wasn't WLC. It was J.P. Moreland. In a nutshell, libertarian free will is choosing an action that is not causally determined by factors outside of ourselves.
Yes, God created man knowing that one consequence of free will is sin. However, the positive abilities that only free will allows (thinking, rational beings capable of choice, morality, and a real relationships between creator/creature and creature/creature) are easily argued to be more important the the consequence.
No matter how many times you come at this, you are not going to find a logical problem with this. This is a watered down version of the problem of evil objection which is not a successful argument against theism.
It does not matter if sin is just one of the factors of free will at all, the bottom line is that god created humanity with no other option than to sin, in other words a world that could only sin. No matter how you torture and twist what you believe, it's a fact.
And why do you believe you have free will, where does the bible specifically mention it ?
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'