(November 8, 2017 at 12:50 pm)possibletarian Wrote:(November 8, 2017 at 12:35 pm)SteveII Wrote: Wasn't WLC. It was J.P. Moreland. In a nutshell, libertarian free will is choosing an action that is not causally determined by factors outside of ourselves.
Yes, God created man knowing that one consequence of free will is sin. However, the positive abilities that only free will allows (thinking, rational beings capable of choice, morality, and a real relationships between creator/creature and creature/creature) are easily argued to be more important the the consequence.
No matter how many times you come at this, you are not going to find a logical problem with this. This is a watered down version of the problem of evil objection which is not a successful argument against theism.
It does not matter if sin is just one of the factors of free will at all, the bottom line is that god created humanity with no other option than to sin, in other words a world that could only sin. No matter how you torture and twist what you believe, it's a fact.
And why do you believe you have free will, where does the bible specifically mention it ?
Why "torture and twist"? I have no problem with the concept and no problems with the conclusion.
You can't be morally responsible without free will. Moral responsibility is nearly on every page of the Bible.
