RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 8, 2017 at 2:28 pm
(This post was last modified: November 8, 2017 at 3:22 pm by SteveII.)
(November 8, 2017 at 1:32 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:(November 8, 2017 at 1:28 pm)SteveII Wrote: Why "torture and twist"? I have no problem with the concept and no problems with the conclusion.
You can't be morally responsible without free will. Moral responsibility is nearly on every page of the Bible.
You think slavery is moral? Owning others as property is moral? The bible says so. What do you say?
I think involuntary slavery is immoral. The Bible does not say that slavery is moral.
(November 8, 2017 at 12:21 pm)possibletarian Wrote:
(November 8, 2017 at 10:35 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Sin is simply the Christian way of saying "immoral act". Surely you think those exist?
Sin in the Christian context though always means against god, against god by breaking a command, or at the very least falling short of a target.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Outside of the god believing community, falling short of a standard that a god sets has no meaning.
Sin and falling short of the Glory of God are two different things. Just because one leads to the other does not mean that all sin is against God. Most sins are against others people. 70% of the 10 commandments are prohibiting sins against other people.
Even non-religious people recognize immoral behavior. The concept is not foreign to them.
