RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 14, 2017 at 3:25 pm
(This post was last modified: November 14, 2017 at 3:44 pm by Abaddon_ire.)
(November 14, 2017 at 12:52 pm)possibletarian Wrote:(November 14, 2017 at 12:08 pm)Astreja Wrote: The word "slavery" implies that it is involuntary. One common dodge is to equivocate slavery with contracted service. However, in the Bible these servants are often beaten. There are also rules regarding how beating a servant to death should or should not be punished, and preventing a servant with a family from gaining freedom if he has a family (he can go, but they have to stay).
Looks like involuntary all the way down.
It would have been so easy for a law that outlawed it completely.
Yes. Simply insert a commandment that "Thou shalt not own people as property" or similar. Somehow that evaded god and afterwards jebus. Why might that be?
Another contention is that good ole Jebus superseded all of the old testament stuff, which, of course directly contradicts what jebus and the NT actually says as well.
This, of course means that the ten commandments are also superseded. "But jebus made the ten commandments part of the new testament" they will say. Well no, he didn't. He cited 5 of them only and have a guess which ones he left out.
Then there is the Golden Rule, "Do unto others..." and all that, directly plagiarised from the Hammurabi Code. That is presented by christians as something of a miraculous insight of jebus, yet it isn't.
(November 14, 2017 at 2:51 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Could be that God is calling out to you and if you're to actually become a Christian in the way you believe you will no matter how much you fight it.Atheists are not fighting anything, there is just no valid reason to believe in any of the thousands of claimed gods.
(November 14, 2017 at 2:51 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Don't be ridiculous, I told you it was God's desire not His will that all would be saved. If God were to reveal Himself before man you would have no choice but to believe, the effect upon you would be the same as it was on Moses.Well, no not really. For example, if Bible god were proven to exist then I would believe in him/her/it/housecat no problem. But worship it? Nope. Do my best to kill the immoral thug would be more likely and a best course of action from a moral perspective.
(November 14, 2017 at 2:51 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Why do you say the bold by me? My ultimate will for my woodworking projects do not necessarily match my desire for a piece, why would you expect God to be different.He is by definition different. If god is not different then he is the same as anyone else and gets no special consideration.
(November 14, 2017 at 2:51 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Your desire is God's will and if you continue you will have chosen your own special hell. God doesn't choose your destination, He does enforce your choice, so if you do not change you should be preparing yourself for a life eternal of torment, a torment worse that an everlasting fire.Who created a hell to which he could consign the unbelievers? Who then threatened that place upon those to whom he had not revealed himself. Does that sound "loving" to anyone.
(November 14, 2017 at 2:51 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Gods not so puny as you say, He will make sure you have your choice and that you will not be able to change if you continue down this path of destruction.Bible god is amazingly puny. According to the bible, he is not omnipotent, omniscient or omnipresent. and strangely unable to deal with iron chariots, for some reason.
(November 14, 2017 at 2:51 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Do I seem stupid to you? You wouldn't agree with me if I could prove all that I've written to you.Stupid? No. Misled? Yes.
(November 14, 2017 at 2:51 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Interesting finish to your above sentence, seems to me you're at a loss for words or an argument against the Bible. Of coarse I can't prove everything, if you thought that was a possibility you wouldn't have made the statement you did. Faith comes first to those who do not know God, later God gives His children of inheritance knowledge the truth of scriptures, I have a knowledge you can't understand. How do I know this, you can't understand the simplest things of scripture.
Start with that lot. Then we can go on to how your scripture is unable to even agree with itself, gets basic things wrong, and swipes itself from pretty much every other religion in the region at the time.
Oh, and talking donkeys and unicorns and dragons and so forth. That will be a bucket of metaphorical fun.