RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 17, 2017 at 6:57 pm
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2017 at 7:03 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(November 17, 2017 at 5:08 pm)SteveII Wrote:(November 17, 2017 at 1:53 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: If the being who wields all the power and makes all the decisions regarding existence and creation knows what you're going to do before you do it, and goes ahead with creating you as is anyway, then no; you have no control in any meaningful sense of the word. Your fate was decided for you before you were even a sparkle in your mother's eye. To be all/powerful, and all-knowing is to have total control.
That does not make sense. All-knowing and all-powerful do not in any way limit free will. God knows what will happen not because he has seen it, but because he can anticipate all of the steps leading up to you freely choosing to do something. Free will just means that you are choosing an action that is not causally determined by factors outside of yourself--not that no one knows what you are going to choose.
I feel like I'm not explaining my thoughts properly.
So, god is sitting around contemplating creating existence and people. He, I dunno, imagines what he would like in a creation. The instant he does so, he sees/understands exactly how the entire scenario is going to play out, including the choices and fates of every single human being who would end up existing. Now that he understands how plan A will go, he has to make some decisions. I'll posit some options below:
* Go forward with plan A anyway, knowing how many of his "children" he'll be damning to an eternity of suffering.
* Perhaps a plan B. Same as plan A, minus hell.
* Plan C. Don't go through with it at all, and save everyone's soul in an instant.
* Plan D. Something else. Anything else. Make purple smurfs who are morally perfect and incapable of sin. He's god; he can literally do anything.
But, God chooses plan A for us, doesn't he? Where was our choice; our will in all of this? We had none. We were never meaningfully in control of our existence. God picked what he wanted for our souls out of an infinite number of possibilities, knowing how it would play out, and said, "this is the future I've chosen for you." Please explain to me again, how are we free?
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Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.