(November 17, 2017 at 8:48 pm)possibletarian Wrote:(November 17, 2017 at 8:10 pm)SteveII Wrote: It seems that creating thinking, rational beings capable of choice, morality, and a real relationship between creator and creature seems to be the pinnacle of anything anyone could ever create--including God. He wanted to create and share the joys of life, choice, love, relationship, redemption, and a potentially infinite future. I can't fault him for that--I'm kind of partial to my life. Your objection is emotionally based--there is not problem with the rationale.Bold Mine*
*It seems that God has made it clear to everyone at some point that he exists and should be sought after.* You don't need to have heard of Jesus or the cross. God will judge you on how you responded with the information you were given.
NOTE: I haven't said this in a while: I always argue from my doctrinal positions. Others may have a different perspective.
How could you possibly know that ? He really has not made it clear to anyone, even Christians say they can offer no evidence. When atheists ask 'why does god not make himself known'? and the counter claims is of course, well if that happened you would have to believe, and so loose your free will, which argument is it?
I think it's a legitimate question, simply claiming it as an emotional one answers little, if anything. To me it's an entirely logical one, Would i bring people about that I knew would suffer for the sake of so called 'free will' , (assuming free will exists at all, which is against the current thinking) no i wouldn't, the argument is entirely logical.
Because the Bible says it. (Romans 1:18-20).
If you run across a Christian who says there is no evidence, they don't know what they are talking about. I imagine there are more Christians ignorant of evidence/doctrine /systematic theology than there are atheists in the world.
Well, there was the time he made himself known pretty convincingly in the early first century. He also makes himself know in that there is something rather than nothing, and the something is pretty good.
No, it is not a logical question. It's an argument from incredulity. "I can't imagine a God who would..." It is not "It is not logically possible that God had a good reason for creating the world".